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Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham
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Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also worth noting that Google isn't doing this because: 1) They want to be an ISP 2) They feel bad for America and want us to enjoy faster internet. They're doing it because they have plans for products which necessitate nationwide high speed internet. I don't know what those plans are... maybe making YouTube the everything-video-delivery-system, maybe massively collaborative work tools as they expand Google Docs et…
> This is a business plan. It is, but not because they have a plan beyond it, though. Cox/Time-Warner/etc. basically shook down Google for money a couple of years ago. Google backed down and the last-mile ISPs thought they won. Google, of course, was extremely unhappy to painfully discover that there was insufficient competition if the ISP's decided to play dirty and block their ads. So, Google now looks at the ISP's…
If that's the case, it would be more effective to settle on something cheaper, let's say program '100mbit/s to every home' and cover larger area faster. I also think that it has something to do with making major ISPs less aggressive, but there's probably something else, why Google needs 1 Gb/s
Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham
#233For anyone interested... the whole motivation of Google Fiber to motivate ISPs to stop gouging us does exactly what it is designed to do. Cox, in Phoenix, miraculously doubled everyone's speeds > 100mbps last year because they were concerned with our general happiness levels and wanted to show their affection. Nope... that's not it. Ran into two leads at Smash Burger in June of 2014 and asked them on the spot "When a…
Comcast also doubled speeds in Portland recently without raising prices. http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2014/11/c...
Cables co's have been doing that across the country because of DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades and recouping spectrum by digitizing all their channels.
Docsis 3.1 will come out in the next year and you'll see really high rate plans, but I bet they will charge a lot.
Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham
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This is too true. It's more regulatory moats than regulatory capture. At any rate, it's not profitable after, probably, the first time. It's strange how cities force companies to wire this way. It's as if they forced a luxury brand, Hermès, say, to open a store in the most shit-hole, criminal part of town in order to gain the right to open a store in the yuppie part of town.
Access to the Internet is increasingly viewed as a right and/or an essential service. Access to overpriced handbags, not so much. Providing health care to the destitute isn't profitable either; doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.
> Access to the Internet is increasingly viewed as a right and/or an essential service. Access to overpriced handbags, not so much.
Clothes are seen as essentials in Western society. Luxury brands, not so much. Yet access to internet and access to cutting-edge broadband are treated similarly by regulators in the U.S. That's the asymmetry.
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Funny you mention 'rural area' -- my in-laws all live in the wooded section of Troy, IL... total population is like 1,000 people. Anyway, they have Charter cable over there - and for the last decade they have been asking me about 'Getting Netflix' - but with a maximum download speed of 3mbps I kept telling them "It's just not going to work well for you..." 2 months ago Charter bumped them from 3mbps to 50mbps. My fir…
To put 'Getting Netflix' into perspective for you, my home connection is 2 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up and I have no issue watching Netflix steams with good enough quality to be enjoyable. We choose to get this slow connection due to the cost ($15/mo) and see no reason to pay for higher tiers of speed from Time Warner.
I find the AppleTV (iTunes) experience particularly irritating, in light of how pleasant Netflix adaptive streaming is over the same connection.
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I never understood why people are hating on big companys that produce great effects and big market share. I can understanding people hatin horrible IE6, but gmail was and is fantastic and most people love it. Noting is stopping them from leaving to other provider (and there are still many other) but they are happy. So why is everything that has big market shares bad? How about we switch to a model where we gat bad at…
I'm not getting mad at anything. I'm responding to "the competition got serious" - no it didn't, that's an outright lie. The competition died. In any case, it's bad because it means that if I don't want to agree to Google's terms of service for whatever reason or just don't want to interact with them as a company (perhaps I disagree with some corporate policy of theirs), then I have to either deal with a worse experi…
Are you really claming that there is not a single accaptable email hoster, even for money anywhere on the internet?
Even if there is no good one, there CLEAR are still many, many others that you can use.
Edit: Competiton is not defined as same service at same price. All email services compete with each other, gmail did not kill the competition or the market they just offered the best system on one price range. You are basiclly complaining that others that have diffrent privacy policy are not as good or cheap as gmail.
You offered this as a response to somebody saying that google was good for the market, but they clearly were. You get better free email in most aspects and you still have tons of other options including the old shitty free email providers.
These post feel like a bad accuse to find a reason to hate on google, or maybe im misunderstanding you.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "capture" part of the phrase necessarily means corruption. It's where incumbents control the regulatory process to keep competitors out. Unintended consequences from regulation is not "capture." In every city I've studied, incumbents are bound by the same requirement to build-out their network as potential competitors. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but the only one that comes to mind is Google Fiber: the…
I've never felt that implication.If companies engage in effective (but legal) lobbying to benefit themselves at the public expense, that's regulatory capture even if it's not literally corruption. I guess it could be an argument about what corruption means, but I think that people underestimate how dysfunctional the legislative and regulatory processes can be even without any legal violations.
Regulatory capture is more than just lobbying, it's a hijacking of the regulatory process by regulated companies. In any case, lobbying is an attractive narrative, but I don't see the link between lobbying and the actual anti-competitive regulations. Verizon and Comcast didn't lobby to be forced to build fiber/cable all over vast swaths of ghetto. AT&T isn't lobbying for San Francisco to impose inane restrictions on where you can put fiber cabinets.
To put it another way: look at the regulations Google demands exemption from in return for building fiber: build-out requirements, slow permitting, etc. Did the incumbents lobby for these things? No. They arose out of municipal politics that have little to do with lobbying.
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That's what happened when GMail offered 2 GB inboxes. The competition got serious.
> The competition got serious. It's interesting how pure competition and "rational self-interest" got us the likes of Comcast and Cox and Verizon and all these other awful, awful companies. They quickly locked up the market, injected their own lobbyists into Washington, and then were content to provide a poor service for a lot of money. What is shaking them out of their complacency now is not "the market" or "competi…
Have you read 23 Things they Don't tell you about Capitalism, by chance? I think you would enjoy it.
http://www.amazon.com/Things-They-Dont-About-Capitalism/dp/1...
Re: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham
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I'm not getting mad at anything. I'm responding to "the competition got serious" - no it didn't, that's an outright lie. The competition died. In any case, it's bad because it means that if I don't want to agree to Google's terms of service for whatever reason or just don't want to interact with them as a company (perhaps I disagree with some corporate policy of theirs), then I have to either deal with a worse experi…
Are you really claming that there is not a single accaptable email hoster, even for money anywhere on the internet? Even if there is no good one, there CLEAR are still many, many others that you can use. Edit: Competiton is not defined as same service at same price. All email services compete with each other, gmail did not kill the competition or the market they just offered the best system on one price range. You ar…
That is explicitly not what the parent poster was claiming.