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The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by bambam12897 »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #217
nilved wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why your (agreeable) sentiment about Digital Ocean affects the fact that Linode is bad at security and customer interaction. We can always avoid both. I didn't mean to use the word "droplet," so I'm sorry for the confusion.

That's certainly your prerogative, but avoiding a provider simply based on security issues will eventually leave you with nobody to host your services. Nature of the game. You simply mitigate and plan accordingly.

Sure you can claim that getting hacked is "nature of the game" - but that's not the real issue.

The issue was with how they handled the public disclosure of the hack. Instead of immediately alerting their clients that there has been an issue (so that - as you say - people could take mitigating actions) they stalled on giving information and tried to cover up the whole fiasco. This should give people ZERO confidence in their moral integrity.

If you run a service like Linode or DO, you need to provide certain guarantees on disclosure of security failures and maybe get an externally audit from time to time.

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by bambam12897 »

nilved wrote: post #195

Linode's recent upgrades are awesome, but people are very quick to forget the period where they were being hacked left and right and didn't communicate with their customers until a defensive blog post weeks after the fact. No matter how good the servers may be, Linode should be a non-starter for anybody who cares about the security of their droplet; and, if you don't, why would you pay Linode's premium fee?

It's amazing how short people's memories are. They behaved in a very scummy way back when that all happened. I was sure they would have to close their doors within 6 month.

But it's exactly one year since the hack and everyone is back to talking about how amazing Linode is

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hackers-Claim-to-Have-Gained-...

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by chacham15 »

TylerE wrote: post #146
chacham15 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parallelizability isnt always possible, but you should normalize the speed you get per dollar. 287 MB/sec / $5 ~ 57 MB/sec/dollar 816 MB/sec / $20 ~ 40 MB/sec/dollar

If the difference matters, a $5 DO node likely isn't cutting it.

Thats not the issue. The issue is if (and only if) you have a perfectly parallelizable task, you would be better off getting 4 x $5 DO servers with a rate of (4 x 287) 1148 MB/sec which is much better than 816 MB/sec for the same price. Or you could even get 3 $5 servers and have a rate of (3 x 287) 861 MB/sec which is still better and also cheaper.

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by threeseed »

gtaylor wrote: post #229
nine_k wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose they do it because load on a typical instance is low. Probably $5 instances are mostly hosting services like low-volume blogs, personal home pages, ssh/vpn tunnels, etc. OTOH the lowest ($20) tier on Linode is probably used by more serious projects that, on average, exert considerable load.

> OTOH the lowest ($20) tier on Linode is probably used by more serious projects that, on average, exert considerable load. I'm not sure about that. For me, I pay the extra few bucks on Linode for the customer service, stability, and the consistent performance. I'm not running my VMs ragged, I'm just willing to pay a little more for a higher quality service. Anecdotally, it's a quality thing for me. Digital Ocean = E…

Your anecdotes (just like everyones) are meaningless. If you some evidence that DO is inferior at the same price level as Linode then you should post it.

I was with Linode and had to deal with constant outages (at Fremont DC) and went through two major hacking incidents where I found out through Reddit instead of from them. I've never been with a worse provider than Linode.

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by threeseed »

gtaylor wrote: post #159
voidlogic wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I just have one server that I use to put stuff up on the internet and host a few services. And Linode treats that one solitary server better than any other VPS host in the world. I use DO for this and have used many others in the past and I have never had any problems with DO...

Anecdotally, I get notifications of maintenance outages every month with DO in NYC1 and NYC2. These are exceedingly, exceedingly rare with Linode's Atlanta DC. Also, stolen CPU on my DO boxes is super high, whereas this is very rare on Linode. You have less neighbors.

In the last two months there was 3 maintenance outages and 1 unscheduled at Atlanta. 0 at NYC1.

http://status.linode.com http://www.digitaloceanstatus.com

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by EGreg »

I love linode. I switched from slicehost for its 32bitness back in the day, stayed for the awesome culture and independence. Slice host got sold to rack space.

However, I am seriously considering a move to Amazon Web services for one main reason: I need to decouple the hard drive space from the ram. The hard drive space is so expensive on linodes!!

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by novaleaf »

madsushi wrote: post #77

Why do I pay Linode $20/month instead of paying DO $5/month(1)? Because Linode treats their servers like kittens (upgrades, addons/options, support), and DO treats their servers like cattle. There's nothing wrong with the cattle model of managing servers. But I'm not using Chef or Puppet, I just have one server that I use to put stuff up on the internet and host a few services. And Linode treats that one solitary ser…

i'm a happy DO user (30 droplets at the moment) and I agree with your cattle analogy. I am not surprised to see multiple droplets spontaneously rebooting on occasion (even when system maintenance has not been announced)

however, I have no experience with Linode so I can not say if they are "kittens" as you say.

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by aroman »

corford wrote: post #202

Big shame the new $20 plan now only offers 2 cores versus 8 with the current plan. For my workloads, I don't need 2GB RAM or SSD disks, I just need the cores :(

Interestingly, I had the opposite reaction. I plan on running node.js applications on Linode, and as node cannot automatically take advantage of multiple cores (and even manually the support is experimental), the announcement of vertically scaled but horizontally contracted CPU cores was very exciting to me.

Re: The New Linode Cloud: SSDs, Double RAM and much more

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Post by waps »

threeseed wrote: post #235
gtaylor wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OTOH the lowest ($20) tier on Linode is probably used by more serious projects that, on average, exert considerable load. I'm not sure about that. For me, I pay the extra few bucks on Linode for the customer service, stability, and the consistent performance. I'm not running my VMs ragged, I'm just willing to pay a little more for a higher quality service. Anecdotally, it's a quality thing for me. Digital Ocean = E…

Your anecdotes (just like everyones) are meaningless. If you some evidence that DO is inferior at the same price level as Linode then you should post it. I was with Linode and had to deal with constant outages (at Fremont DC) and went through two major hacking incidents where I found out through Reddit instead of from them. I've never been with a worse provider than Linode.

All these anecdotes make one wonder why these people aren't simply going to hetzner and ovh and simply get a dedicated server for just slightly more (meaning $25/month).
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