When I endorse a comment, does that also upvote the comment? Or is voting completely separate from endorsing?
Separate. Endorsing just means you think a comment is substantial, not that you agree with it.
Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.
If the intent is to keep things racing to the right, simply allow root level comments by everyone and then impose the new pending status to comments on comments. This fixes cperciva's issue and makes it easy to code without having to do timeouts or summary pages. And thank you for working on this!
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#233I fear this change will have some unintended consequences: 1. In a Ask/Show HN post, (which is often similar to a reddit AMA), the OP will not be able to reply to clarifications questions until their previous one is 'endorsed'. 2. Multiple ( 2a. Either moderators endorsing multiple such comments, due to race conditions and stale views during moderation, or 2b. Moderators would endorse the first (or "best") of them, a…
OP's comments should be automatically endorsed.
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#234This might be a terrible execution of this idea that will cut the amount of discussion on HN by a large amount. Maybe even by 90%. This puts the onus on the older members of the community to do even more work administrating the site -- for every comment posted there need to be a couple of users with karma > 1000 to endorse it, and they will need to literally work to allow comments through.
> cut the amount of discussion on HN by a large amount. Maybe even by 90%.
Indeed, this seems to be the point.. which is kind of ridiculous.
What problem is this solving again? If it's bickering sub-threads, just add UI to collapse threads.
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#235This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest. I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy? A lot of HN user…
> Ironically, this comment is precisely the kind of thing that may never receive an "endorsement."
And as far as I know very opinionated (in either way) comments usually gets upvoted. And with that I'll assume they'd also get endorsed.
Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
#236Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…
Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.
I'm not sure how well that would work, with the number of comments coming in per second it would be easy for some useful comments to get lost into oblivion.
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#2371) Maybe the "cannot submit a comment if you have an pending comment" should be a per thread thing, rather than for the whole site.
I suspect a lot of people read in batches. They take a break and read a dozen new stories over the course of a few minutes. If the exclusion is site wide, and the endorsement rate does not turn out as high as you hope, that would in effect in many cases mean that they only get one comment per batch. If there are more than one story they want to comment in on a batch, they will need to remember to go back during another break and revisit the old story.
2) Won't someone think of the children? Suppose X comments, and his comment is endorsed, and goes live. Y sees it, and comments on X's comment. Y's comment gets endorsed and goes live.
If X and Y's aforementioned comments have each received an endorsement from a third party, count that as an endorsement of the conversation between X and Y, and allow their future comments to go live without endorsement if they are children of the X/Y conversation.
Take a look at the several long back and forth exchanges between tptacek and cperciva in this discussion: [1]. It would be a shame to impede such things.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
For threads that have fallen off the frontpage, drop the required number of endorsements to 1 and let the parent commenter have the option to endorse the child comment regardless of the parent poster's karma. That will let back-and-forth continue in old threads.
Please, please do make this. I have exchanged very useful information with other commenters on HN this way. Sometimes I ask a question in the comments, and it gets answered days later. I go through "comments" in my profile periodically to see if someone replied to those. In this process I also see if someone asked my something and reply there as well. IMHO, HN should have a "private message" feature if comments get p…
By the way, you can use HN Notify (http://hnnotify.com/) to get an email when someone responds to your comment. This way you don't have to dig into your comments every time just to find replies.
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#239So only popular posters with popular opinions will be allowed to endorse posts. This feels like you are walling off HN for those who are already established here. I've been here for years, I like to feel like I have a chance to contribute to discussions without hoping some karma overlord will approve. I believe this change will cause HN to stagnate and become an echo chamber of the thoughts of those who are already p…
Same here. I have followed but rarely make any comments and those are usually too late after the post's popularity has cooled.
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#240I think this is a horrible decision. I've never seen this work. My biggest objection is based on the fact I have to wait for someone to endorse my comment. I post a lot of comments here, regularly. Some of them get hot and turn into a linked-list O(n) depth tree... I also post during time when few people are around. By the time I want to say something interesting and hope someone can engage with me my comment would b…
I think one compromise could be to remove this restriction from users with > x karma. It's not ideal to me but it is something ...