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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you lack empathy for the challenges faced by women in Silicon Valley because you're a white male whose local culture is globally famous for being tolerant and inclusive? You haven't experienced the problems personally, and you probably haven't even seen them locally. But they're real.
What an incredibly rude and condescending thing to say.
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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you lack empathy for the challenges faced by women in Silicon Valley because you're a white male whose local culture is globally famous for being tolerant and inclusive? You haven't experienced the problems personally, and you probably haven't even seen them locally. But they're real.
What an incredibly rude and condescending thing to say.
I'm against these, because I'm against gender discrimination. Gender discrimination means that one gender is treated differently from another. It's also interesting to know whether transwomen will be allowed. Some radical feminists only accept 'born as women' to their conferences. And if transwomen are accepted, what's their definition of that.
Imagine you're a woman. The legislature that governs your country is more than 80% male, and that's after a lot of very recent gains by women. You feel this status quo is the direct result of historical as well as current bias against women, and bias for men. Much worse, since this legislature makes the laws and performs checks on the other branches of government, the inclusion or lack thereof of women in the legisla…
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HN readers in these gender discussions are so outright condescending, hateful, and knowingly, deliberately unreasonable-- not to mention "othering"-- it makes me consider never coming to this website ever again. Thank you for being a voice of reason, even though doing so can be incredibly frustrating in its fruitlessness sometimes.
>HN readers in these gender discussions are so outright condescending, hateful, and knowingly, deliberately unreasonable-- not to mention "othering" Seriously, wtf people? >Thank you for being a voice of reason Oh, I thought you were referring to the disgusting tripe you replied to. Wow, amazing how people can view things differently huh?
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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you lack empathy for the challenges faced by women in Silicon Valley because you're a white male whose local culture is globally famous for being tolerant and inclusive? You haven't experienced the problems personally, and you probably haven't even seen them locally. But they're real.
What an incredibly rude and condescending thing to say.
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> This is no such case for female founders. Here we have a much simples issue: stigmatization. I disagree. I might be in the minority but in the places I've worked in tech no one cares - at least as far as I can tell - what your gender is, it's how well you do the job. What I do see a lot of is women who are capable but not interested in STEM. Not because of some kind of social stigma, they just don't care about it.…
> Perhaps the average man is less risk-averse than the average woman and therefore is more likely to enter a risky business venture. I think the general assumption for women promoting these types of events is that while this statement may be true, it's not because of an inherent difference in women and men. The difference is due to social and cultural conditioning, not because of any biological difference.
I am not sure I agree with this either, but like in my parent post I don't have any real evidence - this is an exercise in handwaving :)
Kaitai's comments elsewhere on this page are how I think about it - what she says makes a lot of sense to me and is a great case for why these types of events should exist. Suppose I am in some sort of bucket that is underrepresented/discriminated against/etc. My thought process would be
* The problem I am facing is too big to be fixed in a reasonable amount of time/effort (e.g. years, maybe decades of social change) * There are no experts who have solved the problem so I cannot get advice from them * However, there are others like me who face the same problem and with whom I share common ground - maybe I can learn strategies from them and they can learn from me as well
The problem -- and the reason they are popular -- with identity events like these are that they give lots of people except the most talented women a cop out: Sexist males - "See, women can't hack it as founders in the real world. They need extra help." Non-sexist males - "Whew. I'll support this event and stop second guessing myself whenever I choose to fund a male-led organization." Mediocre females - "Sweet. Now I…
You probably are a naive idealist; there's nothing wrong with that. If you want to get rid of that give the IAT on gender a try at https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit I'm willing to bet that just the experience of taking it will make you somewhat uncomfortable.
Haven't taken the one about gender, though.
The problem -- and the reason they are popular -- with identity events like these are that they give lots of people except the most talented women a cop out: Sexist males - "See, women can't hack it as founders in the real world. They need extra help." Non-sexist males - "Whew. I'll support this event and stop second guessing myself whenever I choose to fund a male-led organization." Mediocre females - "Sweet. Now I…
You probably are a naive idealist; there's nothing wrong with that. If you want to get rid of that give the IAT on gender a try at https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit I'm willing to bet that just the experience of taking it will make you somewhat uncomfortable.
For what it's worth, I'd be interested in seeing something which accurately assesses personal biases, because it'd help one in determining where/if their reasoning might be being influenced by irrational factors.
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Some men!
More like "men as a political class." I'm male, and I knew I was inviting this comment. To me saying "some men" is like giving the "good men" a cookie, when really all men should be concerned about these kinds of things, by virtue of being human.
To me, saying "some men" is being precise with language and not falling into generalization. "Men", in common usage, refers to individuals that are male, not a "political class".
When is there going to be a conference for male founders only? - where we sit with legs spread and scratch our balls without females giving us dirty looks - where we can wear sweatpants and football jerseys and watch sports - where we can talk about cars and cheerleaders and drink beer all day - where there's no threat of a sexual harassment lawsuit if some feminist witch overhears you and decides she doesn't like yo…
Seems more like you don't really get what it means to be a man.