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Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by microtonal »

nilkn wrote: post #217
sixothree wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry. I find vim completely dated, arcane, and esoteric. Sure, it can do almost 25% of the stuff sublime can do but every feature has it's own learning curve. If I want to select four lines of text in any text editor that isn't vim, I just hold down the shift key and use any of the cursor navigation available to me. Not so in vim. Upon leaving vim none of the key bindings are never used in any other program. T…

> Upon leaving vim none of the key bindings are never used in any other program. That's actually not true at all. Lots of terminal programs have keybindings for stuff like hjkl. Even tig does. And if you're using git from the command line and haven't heard of tig, you need to look it up. Even many roguelike games support vim keybindings for movement. Brogue is an example.

In fact, most shells (e.g. bash and zsh) have the option to switch from Emacs to vi mode.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by evjan »

rogerbinns wrote: post #215
pvnick wrote: post #142

I love Sublime Text. For a year or two I tried and tried to get behind vim, to no avail. I thought there must be something wrong with me, perhaps I'm not as smart as those other developers who sit there staring at several adjacent vim windows hitting cryptic key sequences as if the essence of vim were an extension of their mind (maybe it is?). I couldn't do it. Then I made the realization that the editor you use has…

Your editor does have a bearing on your skill as a developer. When I interview candidates, the question I ask is "what is your favourite editor?" I don't actually care (much) what the answer is, but I do care that the developer periodically examines the tools they use a lot, and see if they can improve their productivity. Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why t…

"Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why they have flamewars. That productivity matters."

How do these people know it makes a difference? Do they measure their productivity? Is there any scientific research on this?

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by Osiris »

markbao wrote: post #150
pvnick wrote: post #142

I love Sublime Text. For a year or two I tried and tried to get behind vim, to no avail. I thought there must be something wrong with me, perhaps I'm not as smart as those other developers who sit there staring at several adjacent vim windows hitting cryptic key sequences as if the essence of vim were an extension of their mind (maybe it is?). I couldn't do it. Then I made the realization that the editor you use has…

As a vim user, I feel as if the essence of vim is an extension of my mind . Much like riding a bicycle, I instinctively think "select this line and the four lines below it and copy it" as "V4jy" with little cognitive thought. Kind of cool from a cognitive science standpoint.

My number one issue with VIM is the need to always count everything: number of lines, number of words, etc. That alone makes the short cuts take a lot longer because generally I'm thinking "I want to cut this function" or "I want to cut down to this line right here". I've never in my life instinctively thought, "I need to cut this line plus four more!".

I end up using visual mode a lot in VIM because it's often faster (or easier) than stopping to count how many times I need to repeat the operation.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by Numberwang »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #225
pvnick wrote: post #142

I love Sublime Text. For a year or two I tried and tried to get behind vim, to no avail. I thought there must be something wrong with me, perhaps I'm not as smart as those other developers who sit there staring at several adjacent vim windows hitting cryptic key sequences as if the essence of vim were an extension of their mind (maybe it is?). I couldn't do it. Then I made the realization that the editor you use has…

I too LOVE sublime text (especially the mini document map, God I love that thing), I just wish there was an addon that turned a tab into a Rich Text Document editor (italic, bold, bullet points, etc...) I tend to write very long posts for my blog and I hate the Wordpress editor.

You could use a markdown language. F.ex. http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by Numberwang »

maxhowell wrote: post #116
zeckalpha wrote: post #98

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On the other hand, TextMate 2 is under active development: https://github.com/textmate/textmate/commits/master

And it's fabulous, I switched from Sublime Text 2 last week and have no interest in Sublime Text 3 anymore. I was disturbed that Sublime Text 2 had several irritating bugs that I encountered most days and yet all dev was going into the next version that would require a new license. Also I am a sucker for OS X native feel and ST2 clearly had effort put in there, but still fell short.

And that's why I'm staying with Notepad++ I like the native feel, and it's actually a lot faster, especially in startup.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by socksy »

Osiris wrote: post #233
markbao wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a vim user, I feel as if the essence of vim is an extension of my mind . Much like riding a bicycle, I instinctively think "select this line and the four lines below it and copy it" as "V4jy" with little cognitive thought. Kind of cool from a cognitive science standpoint.

My number one issue with VIM is the need to always count everything: number of lines, number of words, etc. That alone makes the short cuts take a lot longer because generally I'm thinking "I want to cut this function" or "I want to cut down to this line right here". I've never in my life instinctively thought, "I need to cut this line plus four more!". I end up using visual mode a lot in VIM because it's often faste…

Try using text objects: http://blog.carbonfive.com/2011/10/17/vim-text-objects-the-d...

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by jonahx »

socksy wrote: post #236
Osiris wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My number one issue with VIM is the need to always count everything: number of lines, number of words, etc. That alone makes the short cuts take a lot longer because generally I'm thinking "I want to cut this function" or "I want to cut down to this line right here". I've never in my life instinctively thought, "I need to cut this line plus four more!". I end up using visual mode a lot in VIM because it's often faste…

Try using text objects: http://blog.carbonfive.com/2011/10/17/vim-text-objects-the-d...

Wish I could upvote this more. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by alkavan »

Currently the word "vim" appears 78 times in this post's comments. when in fact it's talking about "Sublime Text 3 Beta".

How is vim relate to this topic (except the fat it's another text editor)? How about the fact Sublime Text 3 is a major version with just minor additions and fixes? this is strange ...

Why people tend to make a flamewar of everything related to programming languages and their editors? use wtf you like most, what fits your current needs best, and if you find something you like more or your usage change, switch.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by jonahx »

microtonal wrote: post #231
nilkn wrote: post #217

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> Upon leaving vim none of the key bindings are never used in any other program. That's actually not true at all. Lots of terminal programs have keybindings for stuff like hjkl. Even tig does. And if you're using git from the command line and haven't heard of tig, you need to look it up. Even many roguelike games support vim keybindings for movement. Brogue is an example.

In fact, most shells (e.g. bash and zsh) have the option to switch from Emacs to vi mode.

`set -o vi` on bash command line to enter vim mode. life changing.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by gitaarik »

jsmeaton wrote: post #87
gitaarik wrote: post #47

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Also my main objection to Sublime. It's such a waste to make such a nice text editor and then make it proprietary.

A waste to who? It's the editor of choice for a large number of people. It provides value to developers. In turn, the people who spend all day building it (I assume from a comment above) get paid to do so. Do you want to work for free?

dude, free as in freedom, not free beer
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