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Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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Sure it is. You just have to have more reasonable expectations. A million bucks can easily generate 30-50k a year in dividends, and without a mortgage, that is enough to live a comfortable lifestyle. You can't go on permanent vacation, but you can live and work on whatever you want to without needing a job. 200k is a silly number to use in this calculation. Most studies show that "happiness" stops having big returns…

While 200K is silly, I don't think 1M is really enough to never have to work again assuming a family. You would have to purchase a house, it should be in a safe area with a good school district, so that's probably 200K? (I don't know what prices would be far away from the coasts) So now you have 800K generating dividends for you, plus you have to save every year to be able to cover your kids college tuition since you…

1) You don't need to pay your kids college tuition

2) Without a mortgage or debt, even 25k goes a very long way. Add up all of your non-housing bills, it shouldn't come anywhere close to 25k, I just did a sample budget and it still leaves 500 in savings per month.

Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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While 200K is silly, I don't think 1M is really enough to never have to work again assuming a family. You would have to purchase a house, it should be in a safe area with a good school district, so that's probably 200K? (I don't know what prices would be far away from the coasts) So now you have 800K generating dividends for you, plus you have to save every year to be able to cover your kids college tuition since you…

1) You don't need to pay your kids college tuition 2) Without a mortgage or debt, even 25k goes a very long way. Add up all of your non-housing bills, it shouldn't come anywhere close to 25k, I just did a sample budget and it still leaves 500 in savings per month.

1) So shoulder your kids with massive debt or hope the educational system has changed enough that college degrees aren't required for everything and things are affordable. Nice.

2) Assuming a low cost of living state, and you live frugally for just yourself, I totally agree. I don't think that anyone would say raising a family on that much is easy in any part of the country. (I'm not saying its impossible, just not easy, probably to the point where you would say screw it and go back to work.)

Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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1) You don't need to pay your kids college tuition 2) Without a mortgage or debt, even 25k goes a very long way. Add up all of your non-housing bills, it shouldn't come anywhere close to 25k, I just did a sample budget and it still leaves 500 in savings per month.

1) So shoulder your kids with massive debt or hope the educational system has changed enough that college degrees aren't required for everything and things are affordable. Nice. 2) Assuming a low cost of living state, and you live frugally for just yourself, I totally agree. I don't think that anyone would say raising a family on that much is easy in any part of the country. (I'm not saying its impossible, just not e…

1) I paid for my own college and know others as well. I also know many people whose parents paid for their college. Guess who earns more out of this admittedly small sample? When you have to shoulder your own education you make many more money-making decisions, so that poetry degree from $200k school doesn't look so hot.

2) It's not that frugal, that's my point, here's the budget I put together, which still has luxuries like cable tv, smart phones, and $250 a month for going out. https://www.budgetsimple.com/budget/DKwEDsxt

Assumptions- You own your house outright, you own a car outright. There are other costs like property taxes and car repairs, but with $500 savings per month, those should be easily covered in a year.

EDIT- It's also worth noting, we're talking about income solely from dividends on $800k. Once your kids are going to college if you want to help them out, you have 800k (plus the $500 in savings per month to help them.)

Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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If you know you're screwed, and you've made a couple of million bucks, why aren't you just closing up the company and going home to have a money party? That probably sounds quite harsh if it's something you love, but a million bucks is like economic freedom for life, and you can try again with a different idea later where there's less active competition. Sounds to me like you did pretty well for yourself.

We're not screwed per se, just treading water just below break even. We still have a significant paying user-base but our churn is higher than our new user acquisition rate. We keep trying to fix that but over the past year or two we've had little success. I like the team and we're working on another project that could potentially re-ignite the company so I haven't given up all hope yet. I committed a block of money…

Ah, as long as you know when you're going to get out if it goes sideways I feel a lot better about your sitch :)

Best of luck!

Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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This thread does a lot on asking what is a start up and what about taking equity funding, e.g., from a venture capital firm, versus remaining a company 100% owned by the founder(s).

The discussion keeps trying to find simplistic patterns that cover most of the cases. I claim that such new businesses (start ups) are so varied that we should not look for simplistic patterns and, instead, just look at the businesses themselves.

Here is an approach to some insight into the growth of a new business: Commonly the intended or expected growth is modeled with a spreadsheet with, say, one column for each planning interval (maybe one month) in the plan of growth, but long ago I decided just to use an interpretive procedural language with, essentially, a Do-loop with one pass for each planning interval.

So, of course the Do-loop has some variables. So maybe we have some variables for business decisions, for random exogenous inputs, and for the state of the business.

Considering all of these variables and the business dynamics during each planning interval, we see that we can have a lot of complexity.

In particular, in some of this complexity, we can see that the business can run short of various necessary resources such as management time, capacity of the server farm in users served per second, disk space used by the database software, time to hire and train staff, floor space used by the staff, rate of writing software, ads served per second, revenue from the ads, delays in getting paid by the companies running the ads, etc.

So, there are lots of 'constraints' or limitations which can slow the growth of the business.

Generally, if usage and revenue are growing slowly and the free cash is low, then we react by slowing down on hiring, buying servers, etc.

Yes, it can be that a big check of equity funding can open or relax many of these constraints. But it may be that margins and free cash flow are nicely high and the constraints that are 'tight', e.g., management time, rate at which can bring on more software engineer staff, are not relaxed by equity funding.

Programming a multi-interval growth model makes these points quite clear. Just envisioning such software should, for the HN audience, also make the points plenty clear.

So, net: We can't generalize. It might be that for some start up, equity funding cannot help its growth because cash is not nearly one of the tight constraints and, instead, the start up might be able to grow as fast as possible just organically. Common? No. Possible in principle? Yes. Possible in practice? Maybe, but don't try to generalize or theorize. Instead, if have such a case, then recognize, accept, and run with it and tell the people with equity capital "no thanks".

So, really, we can't generalize: Organic growth might be for a business that has just one pizza shop and will never have more, a business selling donuts that opens a new location once a quarter, a Web site that is a lifestyle business and gives the sole proprietor and owner $5 million a year in income but is not growing very quickly, or a similar Web site business that is growing rapidly, as fast as the time of the sole proprietor permits.

Such an organically grown business might be the next "big thing", worth $400+ billion, depending just on the business, say, the Web site, how many users like it how much, and how much free cash flow the revenue from the ads generates. In general we can't say and have to look at the particular business.

But, we can draw conclusions from what was common in the past? When looking for "the next big thing" (NBT), mostly just simple empirical patterns from the past are next to useless, deliberately, even nearly necessarily, so since the NBT might be -- should be, likely is -- quite new and different.

So, again, when looking for NBT start ups, we have to consider them one at a time with little hope of good help from past, simplistic patterns.

Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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Sure it is. You just have to have more reasonable expectations. A million bucks can easily generate 30-50k a year in dividends, and without a mortgage, that is enough to live a comfortable lifestyle. You can't go on permanent vacation, but you can live and work on whatever you want to without needing a job. 200k is a silly number to use in this calculation. Most studies show that "happiness" stops having big returns…

While 200K is silly, I don't think 1M is really enough to never have to work again assuming a family. You would have to purchase a house, it should be in a safe area with a good school district, so that's probably 200K? (I don't know what prices would be far away from the coasts) So now you have 800K generating dividends for you, plus you have to save every year to be able to cover your kids college tuition since you…

I'm personally not planning on retiring at 30 and never doing any productive work ever again. The point would be, that with 30-50k coming in passively and no mortgage to pay, I could live comfortably and work on whatever I wanted to whenever I wanted to.

As for kids college, I had parents that helped some, and I paid for a significant portion myself (i also paid a significant portion of my wife's). I plan to save for my kids college, but it will be on the order of 1k a year or so. With 18 years of stock returns, it should be a decent amount for them. If it isn't enough for their desired school choice, they will have to pay the rest. That seems more than fair to me, but it won't be a huge sacrifice to put away 1k a year.

Also note, that the above linked article was doing math based on 4.2 mil. I think 1 mil would be enough to consider myself totally free, I'm certain 4.2 would be way more than enough.

Edit: Also, by only taking dividends and not principle, any inflation should also be reflected in the stocks. This means the purchasing power should stay constant assuming competent investment decisions.

Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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Screw you dude. For someone with over 1k karma and an almost 3 year old account, you should know better than this. This is a community meant for us, hackers and entrepreneurs, to help and support each other out. Posting shit like this when a guy is exposing his deepest anxieties to the world and reaching out for help should make you ashamed.

It's the reality of the situation. Unemployed men or men who earn less than their wives are more likely to be divorced. He needs to manage the situation with his wife carefully. Don't show her that you are worried. Don't share your problems with her.

Wow... you're not serious right? What basis for a relationship is "don't share your problems with her", that's just crazy.

Re: My Startup has 30 Days to Live

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post #213

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It's the reality of the situation. Unemployed men or men who earn less than their wives are more likely to be divorced. He needs to manage the situation with his wife carefully. Don't show her that you are worried. Don't share your problems with her.

Wow... you're not serious right? What basis for a relationship is "don't share your problems with her", that's just crazy.

If you do not appear in control of the situation, she will lose attraction to you very quickly.

Patrick's response is the correct response: shit happened, deal with it. Some men will respond with emotion and helplessness. And surely when things are out of your control, you should. But the woman in your life who depends on you does not want to hear that her rock is going to be broken.

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