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Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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It's fairly easy to rig a laptop display to a micro controller just clever enough to run a login screen simulator, gut out the actual computer electronics and battery, and replace them with contraband or a bomb. Tel Aviv security, which I've been through several times, want to be sure the computer is of the kind it's supposed to be. Login screen simulators are old tech. Friends of mine used to run them on the termina…

I mean, if you were willing to invest that sort of effort, it might even be easier just to put the innards from a modern slim "ultrabook" laptop into the case of a 2000 era thinkpad monster. Throw on a "third party extended battery" for good measure... Actually, don't bother with that. There is plenty of air-space in many older laptops that you could pack with explosives if you don't worry about being able to run the…

Which is why the security agent is spending a lot more attention on you while you're powering stuff up and entering passwords than they are on what's happening on the screen. In TSA checks the chefs themselves, imperfect as they may be, are the point. At Tel Aviv its the responses and behaviour of the people being checked that's the real focus. Not that the checks are totally pointless, they are perfectly capable of catching amateurs or the incompetent, but don't imagine for a second that Israeli border guards are just as clueless as the average TSA agent.

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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> Never has there been any dispute that the NSA can freely read what non Americans are doing without any sort of legal authorization. One would assume that access is given to Customs & Dept of Homeland Security too. This makes no sense whatsoever. Even if PRISM allowed at-will searches across the FB accounts of would-be au-pairs, there is frankly no way the NSA would be sharing this with low level customs officials .…

So let me get this straight... you know that at least two agencies (FBI & NSA) have total access to your Facebook data. We don't know what their exact method is or who they may pass the data along to, but we know they do this with no warrant. Now you're questioning whether Homeland Security, an agency originally created to pool information from all intelligence agencies to screen for terrorists, has access to the sam…

> you know that at least two agencies (FBI & NSA) have total access to your Facebook data.

OK maybe I missed something, but do you have a citation for this?

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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> the US authorities may have been reading her private Facebook messages for weeks. That's ridiculous and puts the whole article under doubt. Nobody would waste that much time on her.

I disagree, It's already well documented how the US government follows social networks and decline people entry over comments made[1]. Where this case differs is that the comments were over private messages - which means that the intel would have been collated covertly. So the real question is whether this is another piece of the PRISM jigsaw or just a sensationalist article cashing in on the hysteria that the NSA le…

Thank goodness the gov't protects us from crass tourists. Totally worth the billions spent and the invasion of everyone's privacy.

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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Right... It's probably more sophisticated like that. Similar to what many HR departments use to screen future employees.

Why would they? That's incredibly risky from a legal point of view.

So they like to say...

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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Do you recall any specific story where they ask you to unlock it?

All electronic devices are subject to search at the U.S. border. http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/crcl-bor...

No. (Thank the stars for Alex Kozinski).

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130308/13380622263/9th-ci...

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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Are you suggesting that the TSA agent interviewing this woman called up some TSA hotline who called up someone at Facebook who just gave it to them, sans warrant, all within the span of a couple hours? Words fail me for an adjective to describe how unlikely that sounds. The far, far, far simpler explanation would that she had a printout of the conversations because it had an address or directions or that she voluntar…

They probably had these papers already prepared. It's not like people get their visas one day before departing to the US.

Exactly. Border agents have a list of people arriving in advance of their arrival. Flight manifests, if nothing else.

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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Canadians don't need a visa for tourist visits to the US, and passports aren't stamped on exit. It's an incredibly BAD idea in my books, but it's still probably relatively easy for a Canadian to spend a whole lot of time in the US without getting flagged.

Having been here (legally) for 17+ years, I would concur that there is absolutely nothing that would prevent a Canadian from living/working here, other than their integrity and respect for the law (which, admittedly, Canadian have in abundance) - Well, that and a desire to return home for free medicare, more generous welfare system, ... :-) The only evidence I have submitted to a half dozen employers of my right to w…

You do realize that your TN status is only for a single employer, right? You must obtain independent TN status for each employer you work for. Showing an old TN has no bearing on your eligibility to work for someone else - you must reapply.

Not trying to scare you, just noting that I have had at least one friend on TN's who tried to bridge their status without filing a proper change in status ( ie. to B-2 as soon as you quit/are let go from your old employer, to be eligible to stay without packing up your apartment) and were banned from re-entry for 2 years.

I have had several TN's over the past 16 years and the only trouble I have had was primary border guard overreach once or twice (they felt I had been in the USA long enough, arbitrarily. Secondary review fixed that.)

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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> I think the point is that the facts provided by the article don't seem very likely. Exactly! How would the US gov't have access to someone's private correspondences on Facebook? They'd having to be spying on FB's users for that to be the case...

And have real time access to the Facebook database for each border agent? to check every single foreign teenager that are attempting to land in USA? To read at the moment of landing every single message of their facebook story? Right now very unlikely.

Or for DHS to have a process of checks run on every person scheduled to arrive. I could even be part of a batch process for each flight, or for each day. Border agents know who is arriving through flight manifests.

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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"reading" doesn't necessarily have to be done by a human. As PRISM has shown, the government has capabilities we weren't aware (or at least sure) of. Would it be that ridiculous that they would have algorithmic scrapers running through all the FB data they have available? They say they aren't, but they've already proven we can't trust them farther than we can throw them. Even if they aren't, she's a foreign national,…

Even if there is a bigger reason for wanting her out, there is no reason for them to expose PRISM that way. Immigration officers already have rights to deny anyone without explanation. I just don't find anything about that article logical.

This particular case, if true, may have nothing to do with PRISM. A simple search of communications between the person and only her US contacts would probably result in a small amount of data to search, which could probably be obtained by DHS or CBP via the providers directly.

Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages

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How was she even attempting to do this when Canadians are limited to 6 months per year in the US?

Canadians don't need a visa for tourist visits to the US, and passports aren't stamped on exit. It's an incredibly BAD idea in my books, but it's still probably relatively easy for a Canadian to spend a whole lot of time in the US without getting flagged.

Depends how much you travel. And if you have proof of employment in Canada.

Returning to Canada after an extended stay and then returning to the US, you will almost always be questioned.

Stamps are old school, they log your passport or NEXUS on each entry/exit in their system.

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