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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by tim333 »

linuxhansl wrote: post #205
andlarry wrote: post #27

Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

Never heard of A/I and I have no idea what they are about, but rather than a government communication this statement reads like an angry rant with lots of unhelpful name-calling. I would expect a government to be professional and just stick to the (proven) facts and avoiding labels; that would also be more convincing. Oh well.

Remember this is the Trump administration. I think your expectations might be a bit high.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by nosioptar »

bambax wrote: post #202
andlarry wrote: post #27

Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

"violent" is used many times in this announcement, but it would seem that one of the most violent entity in the world right now are the US? Also, it's so weird that "antifa" (antifascists) has become a bad thing. If antifa is bad then it must mean "fa" is good? So we should bring back the Nazis? The "Western hemisphere" (which, of course, is neither) tolerates the US and the way it enforces its decisions outside its…

I too find it really weird. My grandpa was a member of a violent antifascist organization (US Army, 1940s). The US government even awarded him multiple medals for his antifa activities.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by WindyTree »

alexwebb2 wrote: post #113
andlarry wrote: post #27

Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense.

It really doesn’t, unless they are screening for terrorism. For instance, a company that provides some free tech for low income Catholics, which ends up used in some crime, maybe bombed family planning clinic, can be charged for the terrorism they didn’t do. In fact, this can be leveraged by anti-Catholic terrorists to take out the Catholic tech service.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by Petersipoi »

flohofwoe wrote: post #184
politician wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you catch the part where A/I Collective is operated by foreign parties outside the US?

Funny, the same US "free speech absolutists" get upset about "censorship" outside the US (mostly in EU countries) all the time, so it would be completely on point.

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. You seem to be saying the "free speech absolutists" getting upset about censorship in the EU is a bad thing. While, at the same time, saying them not getting upset about this is a bad thing.

In criticizing their inconsistencies, you are highlighting and simultaneously missing your own inconsistencies.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by the_wolo »

bambax wrote: post #202
andlarry wrote: post #27

Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

"violent" is used many times in this announcement, but it would seem that one of the most violent entity in the world right now are the US? Also, it's so weird that "antifa" (antifascists) has become a bad thing. If antifa is bad then it must mean "fa" is good? So we should bring back the Nazis? The "Western hemisphere" (which, of course, is neither) tolerates the US and the way it enforces its decisions outside its…

> one of the most violent entity in the world right now are the US?

always has been

e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG0Ql0VfcRg

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #215
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It really is not the fault of the US that Mexico has drug gangs that kill people at random This is a direct result of the "war on drugs" perpetrated by the US. The other two are genuinely not the fault of the US, but bringing up two examples where the US wasn't the source of the problem doesn't exactly contradict the original claim.

The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders. If anything it's the fault of leftist US government stance on drugs that weaken border security and allow drugs to get in (and therefore fund more drugs to be produced). And besides all that, the drug trade has been going on for far longer than you know. And including the murders. > Which is partly or mostly our fault. It does contradict the orig…

> The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders

You should be a lot less confident in your opinions. The war on drugs required violent interventions against drug production in Mexico, which directly created militarized, violent drug cartels.

Example: pressured by the US, Felipe Calderón launched Operation Michoacán in 2006 with U.S. backing and funding. He deployed tens of thousands of federal forces. Mexico has recorded more than 463,000 homicides since that declaration of war on the cartels, a huge increase.

Just look at the data.

> and he said "mostly our fault". If it takes 3 seconds to think of things we didn't cause

He said "mostly" because he knows there are counterexamples, so providing counterexamples doesn't contradict his point.

> Mostly the US has a hand in stopping communist governments where the citizens are kept as slaves.

This is such a genuinely undiscriminating statement that I can't help but categorize it as dumb. I don't usually say this, but you need to stop listening to propaganda and pick up a few actual history books. Until you do, any discussion is pointless, because you're so stuck in your ideology that facts can't penetrate the bubble.

That's really all I have for you. It's up to you to fix yourself.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by rdtsc »

> The anarchist cells responsible for sabotaging rail systems across France, Italy, Germany, and the Netherlands in 2026, relied on A/I Collective tools and services to claim responsibility for the attacks

Hmm. So they are going by “A/I vets its users” and users sabotaged rail systems so therefore A/I is materially assisting terrorists? I wonder how this vetting works? Do users have to submit government issued documents, write essays? Do they make users sign non-violence agreement ToS. I mean heck, Facebook and Twitter has material supporting various things like that and US government is designated them as terrorists.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by queenkjuul »

philstephenson wrote: post #93
reilly3000 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... This designation offers some specific examples of violence being coordinated using their systems. Some are indeed extreme, if true. That doesn’t invalidate their mission or overall contribution to the world at large; it just was sufficient ammo for extinguishing another threat to power.

> “That doesn’t invalidate their mission or overall contribution to the world at large;” Give me a break. Ends to not justify all means. This is a completely appropriate response by the state department.

Why aren't they banning Signal?

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

aliasxneo wrote: post #92
sph wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HN is extremely left-leaning What kind of mickey mouse political left are you using for reference here? The Dems? HN is extremely american-leaning, whose centre is firmly to the right compared to the rest of the world.

> HN is extremely american-leaning I would agree that's true for Y Combinator, but my experience in the HN _community_ for almost a decade now has suggested that the heavy anti-American sentiment started right around the start of the current administration.

> anti-American sentiment

It's always a bit upsetting to me when people conflate criticism of aspects of a country (like its government) with being against that country. I would rather say that it shows that people are pro that country and want it to do better.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by Ruphin »

stanleykm wrote: post #201
vrganj wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats the dictionary definition of terror again? > violence or the threat of violence used as a weapon of intimidation or coercion > especially: violent or destructive acts (such as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terror Now, which actor in this story does this sound like? The webhoster exercising the…

It sounds like that until you realize that the baseline behavior is for countries that are not in NATO to be subservient to NATO. So, as you can see, it is the governments and populations that are coercing and intimidating themselves and NATO is helpfully returning them to normalcy.

The situation in Iran has nothing to do with NATO really. It is a US initiative, and NATO was not involved in any way in decision making or policy.
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