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Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by dogomatic »

anthonypasq wrote: post #97
wxw wrote: post #41

They need to release benchmarks against Luna/Terra. Luna is much cheaper which feels like it undercuts the need for Flash. I've always considered the Flash series of models to be for low-cost, high-volume, mostly text-based use cases (e.g. summarization, parsing, formatting), emphasis on low-cost. [edit: ah, benchmarks here: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge... more of a Terra than Luna com…

flash-lite is more of their luna tier competitor but even still not quite there yet, but gemini's dominance on multimodal and image understanding i think really gets downplayed on this site when most people think the only think you can do with LLMs is write code

If anyone knows of a cheaper vision llm with the same accuracy I would love to switch

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by strobe »

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215
jjcm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other thoughts: I really think Google has fallen behind here. Even as a high speed offering (this build took ~7min, which is pretty good!), it wont be able to claim dominance for long with cerebras announcing the Sol preview today: https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/accelerating-gpt-5-6-sol-ultraf... . It's not a bad model by any means, but I just don't know what situation I'd reach for 3.7 Flash first for. Google really n…

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

it worked for me okay when I needed it for myself in my personal account. But when I tried setup this for a company I spent almost a day solving lot of small puzzles in GCE like how to tell CEO that he have to connect billing account created for other purposes (and he not even remember at time that it exist) to new project and all other things that others talking about.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

#233

Post by bayindirh »

jjcm wrote: post #133
jjcm wrote: post #106

Here's a image->html test. Gemini has always swung above its weight class for vision work, so I'm always eager to try it with this. Original images: https://image.non.io/neonRamenDesigns.webp Gemini 3.7 build: https://html.non.io/neonRamenGemini3.7 Opus 5 build for comparison: https://html.non.io/neonRamen Opus is still best in class for this, but it's worth noting how well Gemini 3.7 does vs a more comparable LLM pr…

Other thoughts: I really think Google has fallen behind here. Even as a high speed offering (this build took ~7min, which is pretty good!), it wont be able to claim dominance for long with cerebras announcing the Sol preview today: https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/accelerating-gpt-5-6-sol-ultraf... . It's not a bad model by any means, but I just don't know what situation I'd reach for 3.7 Flash first for. Google really n…

I use LLMs rarely, and only for digging into subjects which I can't find enough information using search engines. I only tried Claude and Gemini, but Gemini both returns faster and higher quality information which I can use for more targeted digging myself.

Google being Google, their models tend to be better at finding, organizing and presenting information, from my experience.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by qlte »

Saline9515 wrote: post #230
krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

On top of being the hardest website to navigate, Google console a) doesn't have real time billing (!) b) doesn't allow you to set a budget limit. Sorry but it's not worth waking up with a 100k$ bill, fix your platform first.

You prepay for tokens exactly like the OpenAI/Anthropic dev dashboards when using AI Studio, which the link above is pointing to not GCP, also there are project specific spend caps now.

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/billing#spend-caps

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by qlte »

jjcm wrote: post #224
krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

Disclaimer that I haven't tried this since January, so things may have changed in the last 7mo, but this was my experience at that time: https://x.com/pwnies/status/2010523020629274723 At a high level though, as a rule of thumb Google assumes that they're serving companies at Google scale first, and at a human scale second. For other companies it's the opposite. Generally what that means is the first experience you g…

FWIW I definitely did not not need to do anything like that to generate a key via AI Studio. It was like three clicks to get the free tier key, later on enabling billing was a few more plus typing in credit card info.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by jgoodhcg »

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215
jjcm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other thoughts: I really think Google has fallen behind here. Even as a high speed offering (this build took ~7min, which is pretty good!), it wont be able to claim dominance for long with cerebras announcing the Sol preview today: https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/accelerating-gpt-5-6-sol-ultraf... . It's not a bad model by any means, but I just don't know what situation I'd reach for 3.7 Flash first for. Google really n…

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

That is easy but I’ve also found myself in account setup dashboards that were obviously geared toward enterprise trying to set up access to tinker with something AI related. It might have been TTS but it’s been a little while and I can’t quite remember.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by simonw »

andriy_koval wrote: post #116
parasti wrote: post #75

Actual announcement: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge... So it's better than 3.6 Flash, at half the price. I've been pretty excited about Gemini models recently, they just feel so fast after spending most of the day at work waiting for Opus 5.

> So it's better than 3.6 Flash, at half the price. I think its the same price..

They seem to have reduced the price of 3.6 Flash at the same time that they released this 3.7 model:

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing today has 3.6 Flash at $0.75/$3.75 until December 31st 2026, then doubling.

https://web.archive.org/web/20260809105129/https://ai.google... Internet Archive copy of that page from 9th August has 3.6 listed at $1.50/$7.50 with no mention of the price changing.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by ipsod »

peab wrote: post #70
wxw wrote: post #41

They need to release benchmarks against Luna/Terra. Luna is much cheaper which feels like it undercuts the need for Flash. I've always considered the Flash series of models to be for low-cost, high-volume, mostly text-based use cases (e.g. summarization, parsing, formatting), emphasis on low-cost. [edit: ah, benchmarks here: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge... more of a Terra than Luna com…

gemini flash is probably the best model for visual tasks right now. they also make it really easy to ingest videos

Also best at OpenSCAD, seemingly for the same reason, at least in terms of "iterate on a design, comparing visual output to target".
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