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AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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Re: AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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What is the reality other than just an agreed upon collection of individual realities?

It's that which is still there even when we stop believing in it. If every living creature on earth ended tomorrow there would be no individual realities, yet actual reality would continue.

I think it is both. The individual realities of living beings adds a layer on top of the actual physical universe.

Our priors shape how we perceive the things around us.

Re: AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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The fatal flaw in your argument is that none of the measures that you’re using actually have any impact on real world day-to-day power otherwise slave camps would not exist, there would’ve never been a pogrom, and the current state of economics would just not be happening I certainly appreciate your optimism but optimism is not an epistemology

Please define "real world day-to-day power"

https://www.sakkyndig.com/psykologi/artvit/babiak2010.pdf

1/5 CEOs are psychopaths

The people giving back wallets aren’t running companies and governments

Re: AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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The personal software I've written so far is quite nice :)

That's all fine and dandy. Have you made a single cent as a result of any of them? Do you know the actual cost of building this software?

Yea they do actually, and I'm not telling you about them as they are not public. They are personal for me.

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But let me put it this way: when LLMs weren't really a thing, I made a Tinder auto swiper. It was about 4 years ago. I think it was around ChatGPT 3.5.

I swiped about 125K profiles. I had a match rate of about 0.75%. I'd unmatch two-thirds (I went through all the pictures and read the bio in full, a few minutes per match). And the rest would stay as actual matches.

This means in my 5 month dating period I had 60 matches per month on average. 50% of them didn't respond, the other did. So 30 chats per month. I had a 20% chance that I'd go on a date with them. I went on about 30 dates in total.

I found my wife through those shenanigans. I wouldn't have found her if I wouldn't have auto swiped because I got swiping fatigue after manually swiping a few thousands profiles myself.

Call it what you will but finding the right partner is an incredibly important decision in one's life. Finding the wrong partner will cost a lot of money eventually.

I can tell this story now because it happened 4 years ago and I don't mind (nope, I never got banned either, Tinder's detection mechanism was laughably bad).

Back then I was building personal software in that vein. I'm done with my dating life as I'm happily married, but there are other problems I need fixed. I build software for that by vibe coding it. And it's saving me time and sometimes it directly saves on cost. Sometimes though it's more a software product that allows me to become a happier person.

One thing in that vein that I haven't build (yet) would be an app that motivates me to meditate. If I can build something that actually works, it makes me happier and therefore (mentally) healthier. That has knock on effects for my career, health, etc.

Re: AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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The copyright arguments really trip me. I've always loved law and have had a deep interest in copyright law for 30+ years. I feel it's a really critical legal area in modern times, and when Claude tries to argue with me about copyright it really cheeses me off. I didn't ask any copyright questions and I'm well aware of regulations. It refused to share a link with me because it thought the link was copyright protected…

I've asked claude for a translation of a song with Brazilian Portuguese lyrics, and claude has very helpfully gone out of its way to say that due to legal reasons, it will never share the actual lyrics with me. It's fun when you want to know what the lyrics are to a song and get treated like a criminal.

It won’t quote me an early 19th century public domain sonnet.

Its guardrails are pretty batshit, sometimes.

Re: AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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> Consider what someone who doesn't use AI would take away reading that quote from the article, and what harnesses were actually made for. Or you could just communicate the point that you have in your head yourself instead of hoping I do it for you and then arrive at your conclusion when I just reached my own different, independent conclusion after making the same consideration. Man, how is everyone so wishy washy on…

Harnesses exist to give models tools to do work beyond generating text. People install Claude Code and Codex to have models work inside their repositories and run the code or tests themselves instead of the user having to copypaste code between their IDE and a chat interface. The fact that there's some security built into the harnesses is just a practical consideration, not its primary function.

They control everything the llm can and cannot do. Keeping llms “on the straight and narrow” is arguably their primary function.

Re: AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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