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Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Once again, I'm not an identitarian, nor was I trying to personally attack anyone, nor is my take on what happened an attempt to gain a sense of control over my environment (anymore than anyone's attempt to understand anything is an attempt to prepare oneself for future events). I find that your need to skew the conversation toward my personal psychology actually is a form of ad hominem, and your own anectdotes or wh…

I'm sorry if it came across that way, I was addressing the issue and my frustrations with the community that pursue it -- I did not have you in mind personally at all, just the topic. I absolutely agree that government coverups are absolutely unacceptable. I state my conclusion as "it seems to be this way" whereas I read you as saying "no, it was this, case closed". Intent matters. In the courtroom and out of it. My…

The backlash against vaccines was/is idiotic, and tying vaccine fast tracking and (some) forced vaccination to some grand conspiracy notion of a virus being released in order to force nefarious vaccines on people, is completly unserious and falls into loony-bin conspiracy territory. I wouldn't even engage with anyone holding that theory. I actually think that, short-term pitchfork weilding reactionaries aside, covid was the best thing t happen since the mid-20th Century to advance both vaccine science and general uptake in the long run. In any case, I get my covid shot every year, and I own a lot of Moderna stock and feel fairly good about their platform curing other diseases.

I would say this about the purported incident happening in China: From the perspective of the Chinese government, it really didn't matter whether it was a lab leak or not, as their concealment of the problem for 2-3 critical months would likely have happened even if saving face was not an issue. It was a simple projection to say that an authoritarian regime with a top-down economy and an unlimited ability to lock down outbreaks would gain an edge in relative GDP growth over a disorganized, democratic adversary, which would compound for every day they withheld information even though they were attempting to contain the spread within their own borders. That's the economic calculation I called an act of war.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Uhh, I'll just say please run your AI chatbot medical research by your wife first.

I read the AI chatbot part as sarcasm fwiw.

Yeah guess in hindsight that didn’t read as clear as it should have.

The chat bot is only even correct because of obvious, authoritative, trustworthy sources like the CDC. Makes it even more enraging to see bot tech makers meeting with the destroyers of truth.

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And they're doing a bad job of it considering that almost the whole world knows that the USA elects and protects child rapists.

Even the UK (very belatedly, let's be clear) effectively disowned one of the Royal Family. Andrew lost the styles of His Royal Highness, the title Prince (along with all military rankings, including Vice Admiral), all government funding, his police protection, all public duties, is no longer entitled to rooms at any royal palace. Meanwhile, the faintest whiff that Trump was anything more than occasionally in the vici…

I reckon there a few bodies in the Mar-a-Lago grounds.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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He's definitely got the broken clock syndrome. And back in the day he was a strong defender of the environment. I've got a family member and ex friend (both trained in science) and they drank the koolaid hard. A funny story about them -- both had stayed at my home (different times) and I had taken to heating the water for my coffee in the microwave. Both of them were horrified by that and refused to use that water. N…

I think the worldwide disruption of the pandemic melted people's brains, and the recent surge in the anti-vax movement is a symptom. Along the lines of: if all this bad stuff happened and my life was significantly harmed, it must be someone's fault; all those doctors and scientists kept advising everyone on what they thought was happening and what to do, so they're probably the ones who caused the problem.

I agree, but it goes much deeper than this. The pandemic provided a powerful distraction and an amorphous "other" to blame. Without the pandemic, after a first Grump term most voters would have seen his simplistic-destructive policies and ineffectual thrashing for what they were in the context of business as usual, and he would have been a one term failure.

The pandemic provided healthy doses of copium. It absolved Grump of responsibility for not achieving any of the reforms he promised in 2016 (having to deal with the pandemic instead). It created something that looks like a coordinated conspiracy, even though it is just people's obvious reactions to mitigate a pandemic. It created a whole bunch of "unprecedented" authoritarian actions by institutions even though you merely had to look back to previous pandemics to see precedents.

All of these effects also applied to Grump personally as well, as it seemed like the "deep state" was lined up against him (in the same way that one's entire family becomes "against them" as their dementia progresses), creating his obvious conclusion that the administrative state (ie the system that has brought us prosperity and stability in the post-WWII period) must be destroyed.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Only slightly unrelated, but I've been thinking a lot lately about prion disease and whether or not you can still trust the meat you eat. Easily a food safety concern that is ten times worse than getting a little diarrhea from your salad, and the same institutional rot can contribute to it. And it would take 5-10 years to really see the damage done from it.

I'm still considered at-risk to BSE b/c I spent 10 months in the UK during the 1991-92 school year.

Red Cross lets me give blood now.

I had the total of more than six months in UK between 199x and 199y deferral for a long time. We're supposed to actually be experiencing symptoms by now.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Even the UK (very belatedly, let's be clear) effectively disowned one of the Royal Family. Andrew lost the styles of His Royal Highness, the title Prince (along with all military rankings, including Vice Admiral), all government funding, his police protection, all public duties, is no longer entitled to rooms at any royal palace. Meanwhile, the faintest whiff that Trump was anything more than occasionally in the vici…

I reckon there a few bodies in the Mar-a-Lago grounds.

Would not surprise. Just like the DOJ is fighting so hard to prevent NM doing ground radar of Epsteins property there.

Gets that much worse when you think there’s a chance that not only did sexual abuse happen to all of these people, there may have been worse.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

#238

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I'm sorry if it came across that way, I was addressing the issue and my frustrations with the community that pursue it -- I did not have you in mind personally at all, just the topic. I absolutely agree that government coverups are absolutely unacceptable. I state my conclusion as "it seems to be this way" whereas I read you as saying "no, it was this, case closed". Intent matters. In the courtroom and out of it. My…

The backlash against vaccines was/is idiotic, and tying vaccine fast tracking and (some) forced vaccination to some grand conspiracy notion of a virus being released in order to force nefarious vaccines on people, is completly unserious and falls into loony-bin conspiracy territory. I wouldn't even engage with anyone holding that theory. I actually think that, short-term pitchfork weilding reactionaries aside, covid…

> And I have every right to be less than happy about that.

Sure.

Face saving in China is a cultural institution (not that it doesn't happen in the US and elsewhere). Ascribing that to an intentional act of war is a stretch. Coverups are virtually all motivated by CYA by their very nature.

China is handily winning the economic war without taking the tactic you suggest, and if we are unable to shake the current regime and it's scions, will mop the floor with us.

The reason I am so testy about this conspiracy is that it focuses all attention off the conspiracy that Grump did by dismantling the institutions that were built to protect us from such an outbreak, and then bungle the reaction to it actually happening.

Again: let's say China comes out tomorrow and says: "Sorry, we fucked up. Our researchers got sloppy and lied to us. We're sorry"

What does that do to either protect us from future events (which can be from out of the wild)? Other than the satisfaction of "I told you so", what do we get from that?

RFK Jr is running the show, and must appease his boss and his whims. They'd likely take that confession and use it as a parade and patting themselves on the back while they continue to destroy the science and institutions that are there to prevent future pandemics.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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I reckon there a few bodies in the Mar-a-Lago grounds.

Would not surprise. Just like the DOJ is fighting so hard to prevent NM doing ground radar of Epsteins property there. Gets that much worse when you think there’s a chance that not only did sexual abuse happen to all of these people, there may have been worse.

Keeps getting more bizarre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bfCmnO0aW0

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Sounds like a nice topic for a PhD for someone 100 or 1000 generations down the line...

I don't have a parasite in my brain so take everything I say with a grain of salt but at this pace I'm skeptical there will be 100 more generations.

Well I didn't say it would be generations of humans ;-)
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