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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by gaiagraphia »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #211
virtualritz wrote: post #195

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> mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, Yes, just like early cars allowed mediocre horse riders to get from A to B with dignity. Or like my Japanese rice cooker allows a person like me, utterly shitty at preparing this, to eat some rice that is cooked to perfection. Etc.

Should mediocre people be preforming heart surgery?

I'm sure many 'mediocre' people perform heart surgery. Only 100 years ago, the idea of a person without a certain surname or race, would've been a ghastly preposition, no?

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Post by teravor »

greggsy wrote: post #210
virtualritz wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, Yes, just like early cars allowed mediocre horse riders to get from A to B with dignity. Or like my Japanese rice cooker allows a person like me, utterly shitty at preparing this, to eat some rice that is cooked to perfection. Etc.

I mean, the calculator is my go to analogy I keep bringing up in this debate. It lets someone with mediocre long division skills to just do the thing they need to do with fewer steps and less friction. IDA itself is a tool that helps you decompile code without having to do a lot of things.

knowing long division does not help you make the calculator do division better.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by dlmanning »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #229
dlmanning wrote: post #228

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The "privileged caste" being people who actually expended the effort to learn things for themselves?

And such people learnt everything from the beginning? From fire? Where's the cut off point of where learning something for yourself becomes the signal for entrance to the enlightened caste?

It's the point where you expend effort to learn a useful skill.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by dlmanning »

teravor wrote: post #232
greggsy wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the calculator is my go to analogy I keep bringing up in this debate. It lets someone with mediocre long division skills to just do the thing they need to do with fewer steps and less friction. IDA itself is a tool that helps you decompile code without having to do a lot of things.

knowing long division does not help you make the calculator do division better.

Understanding math absolutely makes a calculator more useful to you though.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by pixl97 »

distill17801 wrote: post #165
folkrav wrote: post #14

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The constitution limits a lot of things that this administration has done regardless.

I hear you but, the Patriot act was the gateway. View it as a spectrum from then and how the Administration is now, and suddenly what the Donald is doing doesn't even seem bad: it seems on par for the dystopian road-map laid out long ago (I can't speak for before 9/11)

I mean encryption was considered arms when the internet first came about so it's not exactly a new power or means of welding it.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by dlmanning »

imdsm wrote: post #145
joe_mamba wrote: post #144

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>mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process Isn't this what technology progress looks like? Industrial tools allowed mediocre people to improve their productivity by orders of magnitude which is how we managed(in the past) to build so many amazing things with less human toil and suffering than previous generations.

Progress isn't always welcome by the incumbent who have built their moats on hoarding knowledge over being adaptable

Not all of us think encouraging people to outsource their own thinking to proprietary models is actually "progress."

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by teravor »

dlmanning wrote: post #234
teravor wrote: post #232

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knowing long division does not help you make the calculator do division better.

Understanding math absolutely makes a calculator more useful to you though.

and if you work that into the parent's analogy you get the point I was making

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by dlmanning »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #231
ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should mediocre people be preforming heart surgery?

I'm sure many 'mediocre' people perform heart surgery. Only 100 years ago, the idea of a person without a certain surname or race, would've been a ghastly preposition, no?

Do you... think heart surgery has become LESS dependent on surgical skill in the last 100 years? Cardiovascular surgeons spend MORE time in training now than they did 100 years ago.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by strictnein »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #63
strictnein wrote: post #30

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It's just not technically feasible, so there's nothing to lie about. They're not MITMing petabytes/sec across dozens (hundreds?) of companies and they haven't broken TLS1.3. If I have a box at Digital Ocean and I'm communicating with it with TLS1.3 using a Let's Encrypt cert that I generated, where, exactly, does this magical MITM box come into play?

That "box" is a virtual machine, no? Do you know what hypervisor is managing it? :)

So now this magical NSA decryption system is inside every hypervisor? You realize how ridiculous that is, right?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by dlmanning »

pixl97 wrote: post #204
losteric wrote: post #201

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It seems like AI is really hurting the people who don't have a hoard of experience - the juniors and early mid-level tech people. The incumbents with experience are doing amazing. PM's with Mythos aren't replacing the PE with 20 years of experiences lol.

I mean that is what most technology looked like at first too.

Oh okay. So where's the point where AI starts to encourage the development of a new useful skill set among people early in their careers?
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