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Post by ryan_n »

tsukikage wrote: post #183
guessmyname wrote: post #77

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Indeed → https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries • Engineer (E3, entry level) $248.2K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E5, senior level) $629.8K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E7, principal) $1.69M avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E9, distinguished) $6.09M avg…

Note that those are total comp numbers. Something like 60% of that is dependent on performance review, which is fed in large part by automatically collected metrics like number of commits, number of code reviews ticked off, the LLM token usage leaderboards etc; creating all the perverse incentives you'd expect. So you can rely on income to precisely the extent you are willing to destroy your soul.

Even 40% of those numbers is higher than average though which is insane...

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Post by troyvit »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #4

Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

Man I despise Facebook, no two ways about it. But one time our dog slipped her collar and escaped while we were out of state. We got back late in the evening after she had bolted. We were up all night searching for her and we posted to the Ft. Collins Lost & Found group. We got a few hits that night, and by the next morning there was so much participation that we could trace her movement through town with an accuracy rate of a few blocks. The latest picture was at the intersection of a side-road and the state highway as it left town, so I was down there, looking around and freaking out that she was street pizza, when she booped me on the back of the leg. Don't know how I missed her but I sure am glad she found me.

When social media works right it's an amazing thing. It's just too bad that we don't use 90% of it right. As an example I've never given back to that commons when I see a stray pet.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Post by qsxfthnkp2322 »

LtWorf wrote: post #179
hbcdbff wrote: post #122

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I disagree. Many Palantir FDEs work on morally benign or even positive projects, for example helping hospitals during COVID. (Of course, many also do unethical work). At Meta, almost everyone is contributing to unethical ends.

Like saying you were a medic in the SS. You're still in the SS.

Exactly 1000000%

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Post by darth_avocado »

weedfroglozenge wrote: post #94
darth_avocado wrote: post #16

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I get paid for my work, not 8 hours a day. I’m a salaried employee. I sometimes have to work more than 8 to deliver things, I sometimes work less than 8. The fact that someone needs to monitor me all day long and potentially could use the information to treat me unfairly is disgusting. I’m not the first in line to defend meta employees, but this is just unacceptable.

Ok but that doesn't change what I said. Whether you work 1 hour that day, or 10, the hours you are giving to the business i.e what they are paying for - You need to be working. If you're concerned about monitoring during your paid hours perhaps you should focus on being more productive during this time? I don't think what I am saying is controversial but a lot of people seem to disagree with this

What you’re saying is controversial because you have no concept of what “productivity” is but are asking people to be more productive.

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Post by citadel_melon »

zx8080 wrote: post #53
jazzpush2 wrote: post #4

Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

Meta is a golden jail for one teenager who cannot grow up no matter what he does. Shame.

Don’t anthropomorphize the lawn mower. He could leave anytime and learn how to enjoy a more modest and less harmful life.

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Post by zer0zzz »

x______________ wrote: post #147
inigyou wrote: post #120

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How's this? Not sure if it's the same issue but it's much more damning than the one I knew about. https://www.techspot.com/news/112232-federal-agent-whatsapp-... You know how I found this link? Googling WhatsApp encryption backdoor. You could have too.

> You know how I found this link? Googling WhatsApp encryption backdoor. You could have too. No need for the attitude. Op asked you for a source, which is customary for one to back up their initial claim; an onus on you and not for someone else to validate your claims.

All I asked for was specific examples while acknowledging what I hated about the platforms progression.

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Post by jopolous »

ra0x3 wrote: post #22
dozerly wrote: post #19

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Your options are: 1. Find another job 2. Don’t find another job You can’t say “where else can I work” like you have no agency over your life. Everyone chooses every day to do what they do that day. You don’t get to be morally absolved because you’re choosing the easy path and you’re “stuck”. I’m sure there are plenty of places that pay less that would love to have talented remote employees.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Maybe a little preachy, but the gist of the point isn't incorrect

It’s okay, I put my thoughts out there and I appreciate the feedback from other engineers.

It’s actually kind of motivating. I’d interviewed at several places over the last few months and something out of my control always came up and halted the process (remote work closed down, hiring freeze, etc), so I’m definitely feeling a bit down about job prospects right now.

I needed some people to remind me “no, don’t be complacent, keep trying, there’s stuff out there and it’s worth the effort to continue looking”

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Post by jopolous »

whateveracct wrote: post #63
jopolous wrote: post #14

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Where should we work instead? I’d really like to leave, but I’m kind of stuck, and I don’t have enough to retire. I have to work remote from a non-coast state for family care reasons, and the places I’ve interviewed at the last few months have balked at hiring a remote employee.

i have like 5 companies in my rolodex who would hire me to be fully remote tomorrow get with the times

I wish there were an anonymous way to get contact info for those companies!

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Post by whateveracct »

jopolous wrote: post #238
whateveracct wrote: post #63

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i have like 5 companies in my rolodex who would hire me to be fully remote tomorrow get with the times

I wish there were an anonymous way to get contact info for those companies!

that's what the rolodex is for

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Post by port11 »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #85
haunter wrote: post #78

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> I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place zstd I’m torn about React and PyTorch :)

They author thousands of open-source. Nobody would consider those 'products' (though feel free to play pedantic). And many would argue React did far more harm than good.

As someone working daily with React, I agree. And I wouldn’t consider it a Facebook product at all. The amount of work they offload to the community is substantial.
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