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Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Post by guard-of-terra »

Xcelerate wrote: post #229
guard-of-terra wrote: post #228

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Sorry, I was typing from my phone. Promising to not hire someone is an ad hominem attack of itself. Really helpless and pathetic one at that.

> Really helpless and pathetic one at that I don't say things like this. This is level DH0 (see http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html ). If you keep posting these sorts of comments, then you don't belong on HN because you can't formulate a coherent argument against my points. Other people can -- just look at some of the other replies I've gotten. For some reason, you seem unable to do so. In fact, I just looked thr…

I think you should mind your own business before teaching the skills to other people.

Because "I probably would not hire anyone who thinks X" is a really lousy argument on NH. In the first place.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Post by Xcelerate »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #231
Xcelerate wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Really helpless and pathetic one at that I don't say things like this. This is level DH0 (see http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html ). If you keep posting these sorts of comments, then you don't belong on HN because you can't formulate a coherent argument against my points. Other people can -- just look at some of the other replies I've gotten. For some reason, you seem unable to do so. In fact, I just looked thr…

I think you should mind your own business before teaching the skills to other people. Because "I probably would not hire anyone who thinks X" is a really lousy argument on NH. In the first place.

You have stated 3 times that you do not like that statement, but not once have you given me a reason why! "It's a lousy argument". You realize I could say this about anything? With any statement I don't like, I could just reply "It's a lousy argument".

Give me reasons. Intelligent, coherent, logical reasons. There is a tendency for people on the internet to just state things and assume the other person can read their mind. If I thought my own argument was lousy, then I wouldn't have made points in favor of it, would I? So I can't possibly know for what reasons you think it's a lousy argument.

(Also, "mind your own business" is a cop out. If you want to end the discussion, fine, but don't keep posting or I'll keep replying to you.)

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Post by glomph »

kruk wrote: post #110
glomph wrote: post #102

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Private torrent trackers are also fuelled by this drive. The 'game' abstraction has been made so real with ranks, stats, leaderboards and so on. It really is quite amazing how willing people are to sink time into providing a service, moderating, sourcing, encoding (people sink LOADS of time into learning the finest details of x264), cracking, uploading and distributing all for for no material gain outside 'the game'.

I don't think it's just about the game. I believe many people involved in distribution of illegal content do it out of a genuine desire to share. For every released movie, every song, a book or a piece of software there exists a group of people with no means of accessing it in a legal way (and probably another, much larger, of people who can't afford it).

Oh of course. I just think it is interesting how the game aspect is used for leverage.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Post by guard-of-terra »

Xcelerate wrote: post #232
guard-of-terra wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you should mind your own business before teaching the skills to other people. Because "I probably would not hire anyone who thinks X" is a really lousy argument on NH. In the first place.

You have stated 3 times that you do not like that statement, but not once have you given me a reason why! "It's a lousy argument". You realize I could say this about anything? With any statement I don't like, I could just reply "It's a lousy argument". Give me reasons . Intelligent, coherent, logical reasons. There is a tendency for people on the internet to just state things and assume the other person can read thei…

Nobody in this discussion is likely to work for you; it is unknown to us whether you are actually hiring; and it's not obvious if you are going to enforce your own "rule" even if the stars would meet.

So your position is amusing. Why is it about hiring? Why not "I would not sleep with you if you have weak stance on piracy"? Or "I would not shit in the same toilet"? Why is it about hiring? I would propose it tells something about you. It tells us you're an authoritarian person. It tells that you are likely to try and force your world views over your subordinates or colleagues and/or demand extra, not work-related, activities from them. When rejected you would then use your leverage as a more senior leading to strife.

And this, as one well-known site likes to recite, is The Real WTF.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Post by greggman »

slowpoke wrote: post #195
greggman wrote: post #144

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So what do you call it when you take a service and don't pay for the service? If you hire a lawyer but don't pay her for her time. If you hire a plumber but don't pay him for his time? A car mechanic? A doctor? A programmer? An artist? I see that a programmer or artist is slightly different because the work the programmer or artist did can be duplicated where as the lawyer, plumber, doctor, car mechanic's work can no…

>I see that a programmer or artist is slightly different because the work the programmer or artist did can be duplicated. That's not only "slightly different", that's the crucial difference . So no, they aren't "effectively the same", they are two completely unrelated cases . Would people please stop trying to use this dishonest and flat out false argument to support entirely wrong chains of argumentation? Besides wh…

That might make it different than a plumber but how is that different than a lawyer or accountant. The result of their work is often just data. That data can be duplicated for free. By your argument I should therefore not have to pay them?

I'm not saying they are the same but I have yet to see someone clearly make the distinction on why one person's duplicate able work needed to be paid for and another's is not.

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