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Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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AnthonyMouse wrote: post #226
SidewaysView wrote: post #220

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The promise of slavers and slavery? The promise of whiteness and empire? The propaganda of the dying and dead so-called enlightenment? What other promises have you ever had? What did you think justice meant? You losers talking of WW2 and Rome. Now sit back down.

Slavery has been abolished in the US for over 150 years, which is more time than it was between the founding of the US and when it was abolished. There hasn't been a slave owner or slave in generations. Meanwhile abandoning freedom of speech or due process because of the skin color of the persons who penned the original documents can only be described as some kind of wackadoodle nonsense and evokes suspicions of argu…

Slavery is practiced today in this country. Every generation is born in whiteness and will never be free of the stain. Fuck your "freeze peach." Fuck what you think you're due. Sit! Back! DOWN!

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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ForHackernews wrote: post #229
SidewaysView wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The promise of slavers and slavery? The promise of whiteness and empire? The propaganda of the dying and dead so-called enlightenment? What other promises have you ever had? What did you think justice meant? You losers talking of WW2 and Rome. Now sit back down.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life o…

You think another dead white man quoting King is anything the world hasn't heard before? What rock have you been hiding under these last fifteen years? Dorks and losers all you tech bros.

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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SidewaysView wrote: post #231
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery has been abolished in the US for over 150 years, which is more time than it was between the founding of the US and when it was abolished. There hasn't been a slave owner or slave in generations. Meanwhile abandoning freedom of speech or due process because of the skin color of the persons who penned the original documents can only be described as some kind of wackadoodle nonsense and evokes suspicions of argu…

Slavery is practiced today in this country. Every generation is born in whiteness and will never be free of the stain. Fuck your "freeze peach." Fuck what you think you're due. Sit! Back! DOWN!

Saying things like "will never be free of the stain" is an invitation to do nothing because there is no point in attempting something you've already declared is impossible.

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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fc417fc802 wrote: post #186
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #160

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The thing that results in enshittification is market consolidation. Notice that Comcast sucks whereas there aren't a lot of complaints about Big Shampoo because that's a fairly competitive market. If the government needs trucks then they should just buy trucks, not build a factory to make trucks and then another factory to make lead acid batteries for the trucks and then start mining lead to make the batteries etc. A…

I think that's true for widgets but it becomes much more opaque when it comes to digital services, particularly those that handle sensitive information. Sure there's govcloud and fedramp these days but if the US federal government had chosen to build that hardware out in house I think that would have been a reasonable decision. It's similar to private versus in house security personnel where there are arguments in fa…

The real case here is software. The government can license it instead of writing it, but what it should actually do is buy it and release it into the public domain instead of licensing it. Which still doesn't require them to write it themselves, but in >90% of the cases they need software, they should be causing what they use to be in the public domain, and commissioning new code to release whenever the incumbents won't do it for less than the cost of writing new.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

danaris wrote: post #215
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #160

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The thing that results in enshittification is market consolidation. Notice that Comcast sucks whereas there aren't a lot of complaints about Big Shampoo because that's a fairly competitive market. If the government needs trucks then they should just buy trucks, not build a factory to make trucks and then another factory to make lead acid batteries for the trucks and then start mining lead to make the batteries etc. A…

There's a big difference between physical products, which, once the government has them, it can just use them, and digital infrastructure, which has a number of issues. The two big ones I see off the top of my head are: 1) Once the government has paid for digital services from some private company, they are then providing those digital services to their country's public. 2) Because of that, they are then also storing…

> If (say) Ford decides they don't like the government of (say) Belgium, and don't want to sell them any more transit vans (or whatever), that's not really a huge deal. Belgium has the vans already, and they can just get another supplier for the next set.

That's a pretty significant problem if Ford was the only places you can get certain parts or the only company that can do certain types of service etc., because then you have a huge fleet of vehicles you can't efficiently continue to operate.

But then it's the same solution. Before you buy something, require it to be using standard interfaces and have multiple viable independent suppliers for parts and service rather than being locked into a monopoly.

Which is how it should be for digital services. It's fine to pay some company to run physical infrastructure as long as it's a fungible commodity that allows you to switch providers like you can switch brands of toilet paper.

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by ForHackernews »

SidewaysView wrote: post #232
ForHackernews wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But 100 years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life o…

You think another dead white man quoting King is anything the world hasn't heard before? What rock have you been hiding under these last fifteen years? Dorks and losers all you tech bros.

In fact a dead white man quoting anything on HN would be rather remarkable!

Bitter cynicism is a dead end: for you personally, and for societies that embrace it. You have nothing to offer, and people will follow those who give them something to believe in. Right now, the far right is promising a herrenvolk restoration and what is your answer? Hollow trolling.

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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SidewaysView wrote: post #231
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery has been abolished in the US for over 150 years, which is more time than it was between the founding of the US and when it was abolished. There hasn't been a slave owner or slave in generations. Meanwhile abandoning freedom of speech or due process because of the skin color of the persons who penned the original documents can only be described as some kind of wackadoodle nonsense and evokes suspicions of argu…

Slavery is practiced today in this country. Every generation is born in whiteness and will never be free of the stain. Fuck your "freeze peach." Fuck what you think you're due. Sit! Back! DOWN!

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Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by SidewaysView »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #233
SidewaysView wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery is practiced today in this country. Every generation is born in whiteness and will never be free of the stain. Fuck your "freeze peach." Fuck what you think you're due. Sit! Back! DOWN!

Saying things like "will never be free of the stain" is an invitation to do nothing because there is no point in attempting something you've already declared is impossible.

Oh, we know you won't do anything. Y'all better learn how to listen before it's time you heard.

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by SidewaysView »

ForHackernews wrote: post #236
SidewaysView wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think another dead white man quoting King is anything the world hasn't heard before? What rock have you been hiding under these last fifteen years? Dorks and losers all you tech bros.

In fact a dead white man quoting anything on HN would be rather remarkable! Bitter cynicism is a dead end: for you personally, and for societies that embrace it. You have nothing to offer, and people will follow those who give them something to believe in. Right now, the far right is promising a herrenvolk restoration and what is your answer? Hollow trolling.

> You have nothing to offer

Incel want a cookie?

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