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MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by avadodin »

impulser_ wrote: post #224
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them. A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.

A harness(notice the lack of a 'd') is a strap system to gain control over something.

Like the thing people attach a dog lead to so that their kids won't just go kamikaze into a car.

Coding harnesses are named by analogy to that.

They are not hard.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

avadodin wrote: post #231
impulser_ wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them. A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.

A harness(notice the lack of a 'd') is a strap system to gain control over something. Like the thing people attach a dog lead to so that their kids won't just go kamikaze into a car. Coding harnesses are named by analogy to that. They are not hard.

The reason I have a dog harness is to distributes weight so I don't choke her when she goes at the other dog that she doesn't like. I'm actually puzzling over kids kamikazeing into cars

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by sally_glance »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Well, until you established monopoly you need to build trust. Open Source is one way of doing just that. One of the better ways I would say even...

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by vovavili »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #213
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

After 16 years on Hacker News, I've come to associate its readership with cheap bastards who think everything should be free while simultaneously wanting to keep their 6-figure jobs. There's a very strong overlap with male gamers, who also think everything involving sophisticated engineering and design should be cheaper than a cup of coffee. Just call it out and maybe we can collectively choose to towards a culture t…

I'd gladly pay for software that demonstrates craftsmanship, quality and care for the user. Not a very common phenomenon unfortunately.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by _HMCB_ »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

This ^

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by nmfisher »

polski-g wrote: post #135
nmfisher wrote: post #34

Good timing, I was looking for alternatives earlier today. opencode didn't install properly and I wasn't a fan of oh-my-pi and nanocoder. MiMo code (via my z.ai coding plan) is very pleasant so far, nice UI and seems to respond faster than Claude Code. It might be injecting much less cruft into the conversation. I also got access to the mimo-2.5-pro ultraspeed model yesterday, which is really quite snappy. It does co…

Opencode didn't install properly? Its just "mise use -g opencode@latest"

It did install, but then would hang when trying to configure the provider (specifically I was trying diffusiongemma via Nvidia). I gave up after a couple of attempts and moved to the next one.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by avadodin »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #232
avadodin wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A harness(notice the lack of a 'd') is a strap system to gain control over something. Like the thing people attach a dog lead to so that their kids won't just go kamikaze into a car. Coding harnesses are named by analogy to that. They are not hard.

The reason I have a dog harness is to distributes weight so I don't choke her when she goes at the other dog that she doesn't like. I'm actually puzzling over kids kamikazeing into cars

It is a common fear for parents. Obviously they are not fighting for the emperor but chasing or running away from something.

The strapped kids are often normal with no apparent disabilities(but it is possible they have an ADHD diagnosis).

Never thought about doing it to my own.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by Supermancho »

impulser_ wrote: post #230
Supermancho wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If harnesses are basically doing nothing, why would these metrics vary so widely? https://www.endorlabs.com/research/ai-code-security-benchmar... There's a lot of ways to configure agents and any implicit configuration to harnesses may have a non-trivial effect.

It's because they do things that is why they score differently. Coding hardness add features for user experience not for agent efficiency. If they did all the coding hardnesses would be using bash and code mode and letting the agents write code to perform tasks but this doesn't work because you want humans in the loop. You want users to be able to approve and deny writes. You want uses to see edits. So you have to bu…

> The added features are just user experience features.

> It's because they do things that is why they score differently.

That was my point. Regardless of how you feel about UX, it's a value added set of features. The question initially posited, stands. Why would a company do any of these things?

> Coding hardness add features for user experience not for agent efficiency.

Pretending it was always about some metric you just decided was important is moving the goalpost. It's not compelling.

I think it makes more sense that it's Freemium Dominance or they act as Low-Cost Marketing tools.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

digitaltrees wrote: post #201
devmor wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What?

China is giving away AI for free so it’s harder to make money. The same strategy they did with solar panels. Sell them at a loss long enough until the manufacturers go out of business and you’re the only one surviving. Then flip to extract monopoly profits

Does that apply to US open weights models too? Was Llama an attempt by Meta to destroy America's economy?

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by impulser_ »

avadodin wrote: post #231
impulser_ wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them. A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.

A harness(notice the lack of a 'd') is a strap system to gain control over something. Like the thing people attach a dog lead to so that their kids won't just go kamikaze into a car. Coding harnesses are named by analogy to that. They are not hard.

You got to miss spell these days or people assume your ai :)
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