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Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by bluegatty »

BigJono wrote: post #217
bluegatty wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's basically a tiny statement that kind of hand waves all the 'actual stuff'.

It's "I did the first/easy 90% now someone else do the second/hard 90%". Same as it ever was.

We're not supposed to be crude on HN but that's some real Dilbert level stuff right there. Like spit out my coffee laughing, cringing. It's too bad the Dilbert guy seemed to have lost his mind in meta level cynicism (and maybe his legacy as well) and also passed away, because we kind of need him now. Dilbert is almost made more for the AI age than the computing age.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by philipwhiuk »

nstart wrote: post #193

Desperate to know what the prompt for the poem is. The idea of it felt familiar so I went down the rabbit hole and found: 14 years ago, a poem on reddit [ https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditDayOf/comments/tjjw2/may_12_a... ] . Nowhere near the length of the one the author shared but the same idea. > This is from "The Cyberiad", a collection of science-fiction fairy tales by Polish author Stanislaw Lem ... In one of the s…

> the author had to be referencing this moment in their challenge to Fable/Mythos.

Or it just swept it up in the training data given Anthropic license Reddit comments.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by zelphirkalt »

shimman wrote: post #134
jimbokun wrote: post #118

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Well that’s kind of the point. They can just summon bespoke software out of the ether that only handles the use cases of themselves and a few of their collaborators. Making “side projects” was mot possible for non-developers before powerful LLMs. Now it is.

Making side projects isn't a trillion dollar industry tho, adding to the fact that we are facing another global supply chain crisis due to the Iran War; the US is about to commit the biggest self-own ever in the history of empire.

The US has been on a course of self-owns ever since Trump got into office. That they still are a dominant power on the globe shows how much they were one before Trump, but it seems to be changing. At every self-own they commit, China laughs and inches up a little closer. I think we will see the day, when they are evenly matched in our lifetimes.

But which self-own exactly do you mean, of the many there are?

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

an0malous wrote: post #138
jimbokun wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that’s kind of the point. They can just summon bespoke software out of the ether that only handles the use cases of themselves and a few of their collaborators. Making “side projects” was mot possible for non-developers before powerful LLMs. Now it is.

I don’t think that’s true, I think these authors are making a much stronger claim that AI is proficient or even an expert at software engineering. This author describes how complex and sophisticated their software is, and the only value he’ll concede to “coders” is that there might be a few bugs they’d need to fix. Imagine not being an architect and using Claude to put together a building plan, then concluding it’s b…

And - we kind of have been here before. The "proto"-type is almost complete. Its just a little slow, a little spaghettificated, just written in excel-vb, clicked together in node-graphs, or the next hot thing that makes coding unnecessary.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by squidbeak »

an0malous wrote: post #138
jimbokun wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that’s kind of the point. They can just summon bespoke software out of the ether that only handles the use cases of themselves and a few of their collaborators. Making “side projects” was mot possible for non-developers before powerful LLMs. Now it is.

I don’t think that’s true, I think these authors are making a much stronger claim that AI is proficient or even an expert at software engineering. This author describes how complex and sophisticated their software is, and the only value he’ll concede to “coders” is that there might be a few bugs they’d need to fix. Imagine not being an architect and using Claude to put together a building plan, then concluding it’s b…

> I think these authors are making a much stronger claim that AI is proficient or even an expert at software engineering.

The author specifically says:

> I am sure it is not perfect (I only spent an hour working with the results), but a software engineer would iron out the remaining potential bugs that I could not find quickly (which is one reason we may need more, not less, coders in the future, to help with the explosion of new uses for software)

which acknowledges pretty clearly that engineers bring a level of insight and experience still missing from Mythos. Saying that, I totally disagree with his contention that this will always be true. It's pretty weird that the author of an article stressing the steep improvements in a model's capability can't seem to imagine further improvements in that capability. As if Mythos is where development ends or whatever gap remains between models and experts won't steadily narrow or eventually widen in reverse.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by squidbeak »

winwang wrote: post #206
rstuart4133 wrote: post #146

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> Humans are very expensive, so the equation almost always falls against them. You underestimate what these models cost. Uber's budget is $1,500/dev/month. I gather that was put in place because the dev's were going through $6,000/dev/month, which Uber decided could not be cost justified. Fable costs at least twice as much, or $12,000/dev/month. Fable can apparently work for hours without supervision, which means a s…

Minor note, 2x $/tok is not 2x cost. Personally, I see Fable being significantly more token-efficient than Opus 4.8. Then, there's also the compounding costs of quality.

On top of which, as the article mentions, it delegates simpler tasks to cheaper models.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by amarant »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #146
Ferret7446 wrote: post #76

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Humans are very expensive, so the equation almost always falls against them. It's not just salary, but also safety/labor regulation, legal risk, vacations, sick time, personal conflicts, HR, benefits. Even when automation is more expensive on paper, it's generally still cheaper

> Humans are very expensive, so the equation almost always falls against them. You underestimate what these models cost. Uber's budget is $1,500/dev/month. I gather that was put in place because the dev's were going through $6,000/dev/month, which Uber decided could not be cost justified. Fable costs at least twice as much, or $12,000/dev/month. Fable can apparently work for hours without supervision, which means a s…

Not to argue myself out of a job, but I cost around $20k/month, all costs considered(taxes, social fees, PTO, healthcare, benefits). If my efficiency is tripled(which it absolutely is, even before fable) for a mere 6k/month(in reality, 1k is more than enough though), that's ~10x ROI.

I kinda get why execs are excited

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