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Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Which is why it's so bizarre that CDs are generally less dynamic than vinyl. There's no technical reason that should be the case.

CDs were most commonly played in cars on the loud highway

You know, there are more countries than the US.

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"Spot you" implies you actually had a level of need for the money. Declining to give you $600 out of the blue because you'd rather have more money is not being indifferent.

It can imply that, but it can imply other things too and you shouldn't draw conclusions from one interpretation. You've never just paid for a friend's dinner or ticket? Perhaps this is a cultural thing. I routinely buy gifts for friends, pay for their meals, travel and vice versa. Having more money is not some supreme objective that is more important than the people around you. Money is just a tool for enjoying life.…

Gifts are nice but deciding not to give someone a gift out of absolutely nowhere is not "putting money before friends".

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Objectively we care about the amount of information in the signal, not air movement. Air movement is just a medium which conveys information. It's not just "subjective perception", it's the meaning of the process.

I'm stating an objective measurable fact not arguing about semantics or meaning, whatever that is for you.

They're all objective, just different coordinate systems. There's nothing less objective about a different coordinate transform.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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> I am not insane so I did not spend $1300 on a used vinyl record, I found mine for $2 at Goodwill. How is holding onto it instead of selling it for $1300 any less insane than buying it for $1300 in the first place?

Who taught you this? And why do you think this way?

It's called the fallacy of sunk costs.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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> He does not value the thing at 1300 dollars If you decline to sell a thing for an easy 1300, doesn't that mean you value it at 1300 or more?

Only if you actually need the 1300 cash, or think that you won't be able to sell it in the future.

If you don't need the 1300 cash, or think that you could sell it in the future, you could also buy it rather than merely not selling it.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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People are getting angry at the math here. I'm Not the OP and have no moral judgement here, but from strict bank account balance perspective it's the same. Persuade me otherwise through addition and subtraction, not moral appeals. 1. I have 10,000 in my bank account. 2. I see a 1,300 record I like 3. I buy it 4. My bank account now has 8700 5. There's 1,300 difference if I choose to buy it or not 1. I have 10,000 in…

Turns out HN users have the Endowment Effect…

And are crazy defensive at pretending it is somehow rational!

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#237

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It can imply that, but it can imply other things too and you shouldn't draw conclusions from one interpretation. You've never just paid for a friend's dinner or ticket? Perhaps this is a cultural thing. I routinely buy gifts for friends, pay for their meals, travel and vice versa. Having more money is not some supreme objective that is more important than the people around you. Money is just a tool for enjoying life.…

Gifts are nice but deciding not to give someone a gift out of absolutely nowhere is not "putting money before friends".

"deciding not to give someone a gift out of absolutely nowhere" as a matter of course, as a guiding philosophical principle, is categorically putting money before friends.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Cassettes were great, though. They could pile up, unprotected, in the center console or find their way under the seat and be fine. That pile might have everything from your mom's Vivaldi tape to the MC5 bootleg you got from your older brother. Sick of listening to whatever's in the deck right now? Just rummage through them without looking using the gear-shift hand and hold one up in an instant without taking eyes ver…

> and be fine. lolno those things were a finicky failure prone analog nightmare.

Compared to what? CDs that would skip on movement or scratch and skip worse? CD-R that would delaminate? Vinyl records? The continuous-loop abomination of 8-track?

Compact cassette tapes were profoundly robust compared to everything else.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Gifts are nice but deciding not to give someone a gift out of absolutely nowhere is not "putting money before friends".

"deciding not to give someone a gift out of absolutely nowhere" as a matter of course , as a guiding philosophical principle , is categorically putting money before friends.

That's reading way too much into the earlier posts.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#240

It's a weird social psychology quirk. For whatever reason, the entire music industry has been captured by the delusion that mixing all the sounds louder is good. No one likes it, except for those guys. For reasons I'll never understand, the movie industry has been captured by the opposite delusion; they're going to pump dynamic range so high that you can only understand about half the dialogue in the movie. And of co…

remember when HN was saying "nobody wants big smartphones, why does the industry keep doing this? iPhone 4 size is the perfect size" hint - the industry is doing EXACTLY what (most) consumers want. there is a big difference between what a consumer tells you they want, and what actually they pay for

There are probably 100 times more people listening to billboards hot 100 on crappy headphones if not phone speakers than people who know what "dynamic range" means…
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