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Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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I expect that a zero-fossil world does a lot more steel recycling. Today steel is insanely cheap. Not so very long ago steel was this wonder metal, too expensive to mass produce, and today the pennies most people don't want as change when buying things here have steel inside because no other metal would be cheap enough given the value of the coins. They're jacketed because people expect them to look like tarnished co…

Steel is cheap for two reasons: unaccounted externalities of the use of coal in the process, and massive scale. Coal-free steel is possible, but we don’t currently do it at scale, so there is work to do. Recycling will make sense if steel becomes much more expensive, but a future with really expensive steel is not what we should be aiming for.

The externalities for burning coal to make steel aren't acceptable though, we would need the mythical high performance carbon capture solutions and those aren't materialising, everybody who promised more efficient solar did what they promised, bigger wind turbines, as promised, more compact storage, as promised - but the carbon capture is MIA.

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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This is exciting news but the term power here should really be replaced with electricity which is clarified early on in the article. Electricity only accounts for roughly 20-25% of all power / energy used and the vast majority of the remaining 75% is fueled by gas (cars, ships, heating, construction, ect.)

Global solar PV deployment is approaching 1TW/year. All energy will be clean energy in the next 1-2 decades. Vehicles will electrify, as will heating. Roughly half of marine traffic disappears if you're not shipping fossil fuels around. The exponential growth of solar power will change the world - https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/06/20/the-exponential... | https://archive.today/lp9pZ - June 20th, 2024 https://e…

> All energy will be clean energy in the next 1-2 decades.

You're disregarding the culture wars for which science, and even economics, seem to offer no respite.

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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Global solar PV deployment is approaching 1TW/year. All energy will be clean energy in the next 1-2 decades. Vehicles will electrify, as will heating. Roughly half of marine traffic disappears if you're not shipping fossil fuels around. The exponential growth of solar power will change the world - https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/06/20/the-exponential... | https://archive.today/lp9pZ - June 20th, 2024 https://e…

> All energy will be clean energy in the next 1-2 decades. You're disregarding the culture wars for which science, and even economics, seem to offer no respite.

Culture wars are irrelevant, the economics will drive this regardless of feelings. A trillion dollars per year are flowing into the sector.

Green Debt Sales Hit Record Levels Despite Climate Backlash - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-25/green-deb... | https://archive.today/BrLlK - December 25th, 2025

> Investors have piled into climate-friendly assets this year despite policy and regulatory rollbacks in the US and Europe, as artificial intelligence drives a boom in energy infrastructure demand. Global green bond and loan issuance has reached a record $947 billion so far this year, with Asia-Pacific companies and government-linked issuers raising $261 billion from green debt. Green investments are increasingly becoming viewed as core infrastructure and industrial plays, with clearer policy signals and an expected increase in global electricity demand lifting investor optimism. Global green bond and loan issuance has reached a record $947 billion so far this year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg Intelligence. That’s as stock market gauges for renewables are set for their first annual gains since 2020, outperforming the S&P 500 by a wide margin, while shares of power-grid technology companies remain in favor.

There’s a $10 Trillion Antidote to Trump’s Climate Backlash - https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-climate-tech-investm... | https://archive.today/m0xg1 - November 4th, 2025

> Annual energy transition investment surpassed $2 trillion for the first time in 2024, more than double the rate in 2020, according to research by BloombergNEF examining the deployment of net zero-aligned technologies and infrastructure.

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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I think you've missed that all generators have upfront cost. That's why the monetary payoff time for installing solar is non-zero. Versus a backup generator you're paying 2-3x the cost upfront. And yes we know the running cost is almost 0, the maintenance is almost nothing, etc etc, but I could see that argument not holding as much water as we need it to.

> I think you've missed that all generators have upfront cost. Why do you say this?

Because you said it's the cheapest by far but didn't say "after X years". Did I miss where you acknowledged there's a crossover point in cost?

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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*electricity . Gas is heavily used for heating , cooking & industrial uses (e.g. drying agriculture like hops, boilers etc). I raise this point since policymakers get confused and try to ban gas, only to realize how critical gas is for food & industrial applications that consumers enjoy after the fact.

Most of it can be electrified. NYC has banned gas hookups in new residential buildings (I live in one and it's great). Industrial electrification will never be 100% but I've seen estimates as high as 90%. It will take time and money but it will happen.

how much time and money, and whether it’s worth the opportunity cost, is the entire question.

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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Germany is producing some solar energy. This is of course indisputable. They paid for that by selling most of their industry to China because energy costs became unbearable. Was this the right tradeoff?

Without that solar / wind, Europe would be paying 100 million euros per day more for LNG. Electricity in Europe is expensive enough already, making it even more expensive by shunning the cheapest available form would be even harder on industry.

And if Germany did not phase out nuclear, EU would not have relied on russian LNG for so long.

But we live in an imperfect world.

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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It's a good news but I didn't expect that coal is still on the 1st place and not really trending down. I though coal was largely replaced by gas years ago...

In 2025, renewables generated more energy globally than coal (neck and neck tie, but renewables just edged out coal). This trend is likely to continue.

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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> All energy will be clean energy in the next 1-2 decades. You're disregarding the culture wars for which science, and even economics, seem to offer no respite.

Culture wars are irrelevant, the economics will drive this regardless of feelings. A trillion dollars per year are flowing into the sector. Green Debt Sales Hit Record Levels Despite Climate Backlash - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-25/green-deb... | https://archive.today/BrLlK - December 25th, 2025 > Investors have piled into climate-friendly assets this year despite policy and regulatory rollbacks…

And yet, people in my home state are passionate about coal, as is the current clown-in-chief.

I do not believe that economics will win in 10-20 years if the U.S. government continues its current path, at least not to the "100% clean energy" level.

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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I'm going to guess they are against it because it's "woke". A question might be "why is it woke?" And if it's because libtards like it, then you can point out that libtards like coffee, beer, sports, etc -- so when will they boycott those?

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Could you explain cultural marxism to me in your own words?

More so, could you hazard a guess why those friends would be categorically against renewables?

Re: Wind and solar generated more power than gas globally in April 2026

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Culture wars are irrelevant, the economics will drive this regardless of feelings. A trillion dollars per year are flowing into the sector. Green Debt Sales Hit Record Levels Despite Climate Backlash - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-25/green-deb... | https://archive.today/BrLlK - December 25th, 2025 > Investors have piled into climate-friendly assets this year despite policy and regulatory rollbacks…

And yet, people in my home state are passionate about coal, as is the current clown-in-chief. I do not believe that economics will win in 10-20 years if the U.S. government continues its current path, at least not to the "100% clean energy" level.

No new coal plants will be built in the US, it is only how long the existing ones will run for. The longer they run, the more expensive it costs to maintain them, continually tilting the economics against them. As more coal generators go offline, coal demand declines, and as that happens, mines will go offline as the demand drops below thresholds that will support the economics of continued operations. This is a form of "death spiral."

"This too shall pass." Existing coal will retire eventually. Let them be passionate if they wish, as comfort, but the outcome will not change. This administration has an expiration date.

https://www.sierraclub.org/coal/coal-plant-map

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=67427

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/591b44aa8dd144719e059...

https://www.wsaz.com/2026/02/13/7-mines-idle-resulting-loss-...

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-trump-has-overseen-more...

> In response, the Trump administration has recently invoked legislation designed for wartime emergencies to force a number of uneconomic coal plants to remain open.

> Despite Trump’s efforts, clean energy made up 96% of the new electricity generation capacity added to the US grid in 2025. None of the new capacity came from coal power.

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