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VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

>Do you like the centralization of the internet? Absolutely, makes blocking stuff so much easier!

Yeah, Spanish la Liga is so happy about Cloudfare

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Have you ever seen a us-east-1 outage? Or when Exchange Online fails... weekly or so? There's a lot of huge clouds that are load-bearing for the Internet. Cloudflare is the one you can at least circumvent easily.

That's not true. Read about all the drama happening in Spain when an entity (the soccer league) decides to block all the Cloudfare IPs. You are stuck with no access to most websites behind Cloudfare, and that's a lot of them

How does this differ if Spain decided to block AWS IPs?

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

For your first question: - The workers platform is quite pleasant to work with compared to competitors. - Globally deploying edge workers which have access to their many services (D1, R2, DO, etc) - Having the ability to assemble globally distributed workers using bindings is dead simple - Their CI pipeline, while limited, is easy to setup and run and keeps improving - Their pricing is extremely competitive For your…

One thing is hosting, which obviously comes with centralizing risks but a different one is just deciding to add a layer of "protection" in front of every website so that as much traffic as possible goes through one single company.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#235

So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant

My guess is investors are getting a good return on investment so they are probably pretty happy.

Liquidity at some multiplier is easy to measure.

The value to the investors also includes the outcome of dealflow resulting from the relationships and network built up along the way.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Yeah. I don't want to sound selfish, but now I need to make plans to eventually migrate off of vite.

Migrate off vite to what exactly? I just migrated a personal project to vite and it simplified the existing webpack thing drastically, I was very impressed.

IDK, I've been purposely limiting the scope of work I can provide by only working with js, html, css. It's extremely limiting but when it comes to basically making one-off splash pages it's nice to not worry about tooling and just deploy what I made instantly. Modern CSS is amazing, there's no need to use sass or postcss. The modern web APIs are amazing as well. You can get a lot done with new base standard across browsers. The only libraries I really pull in nowadays are anime.js + umami for analytics.

I don't even need TS and can get away with js doc annotations + a functional LSP allows me to be slightly more dangerous (think running with scissors in chain mail).

Maybe if you need a specific web app you can reach for the complex tooling but even then I still wonder if it's necessary? The most popular political tool I've shared was a simple HTML page that just fetched the census API for specific codes in a tabular format. Sure I could have used react which would have enabled me to unlock some future value I couldn't foresee at the time but the working alternative is that I have a single html page with minimal JS (around ~2k LOC) that a surprising amount of nontypical devs (think carpenter that is interested in cybersecurity or union negotiators) are able to extend by themselves for their own needs (think adding census codes about snap or public transit).

There is a tremendous amount of value in telling my users how they can modify the source code and see the immediate impact of doing as much.

If this was a project that would have necessitated vite the first thing I would tell them is to install nodeJS and that's where I would lose 99.9999999999% of my users being able.

These projects will never go beyond 500,000 visitors and a CDN is more than sufficient for 90% of the work I do. So that obviously plays a major role but if this is a solo project there are much better choices to make if you want it to be sustainable + low upkeep. Those two qualities are something we as an industry should always value as it makes all our jobs collectively easier.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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"Vue.js: JavaScript MVVM made simple (vuejs.org)" February 3, 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7169288 Evidently Evan You was an Art History + Studio Art and major and at Parsons School he had to pick up javascript to quickly show his work. During a stint at Creativelab5 at Google, he was so inspired to improve on AngularJS experience that he came up with Vue and the rest is history. I have no idea what thi…

Really good talk that goes over this: https://corecursive.com/vue-with-evan-you/

Totally worth the listen.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#238
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What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

I like how I can slap up a free Turnstile on my projects in two minutes and not have to worry about endless comment spam and user registration spam. Yes, I understand there's problems with Cloudflare, but there's also a lot of problems out there in the wild west of an open internet.

Ah! The same turnstile that was supposed to provide users with a more private reCaptcha alternative and ended up fingerprinting users via WebGL to prevent spam.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#240

The reason this is worth it to CloudFlare is it will cause AI to recommend them more. The agents already reach for Vite. When they reach for Vite it's very logical they will default to CloudFlare after. (Much like they will guide users to setup Vercel for NextJS). This could be a $20m acquisition which will generate $billions from the increase in the agent equivalent of SEO.

This isn’t going to generate billions in additional revenue. That is a huge exaggeration.

I do agree with your underlying argument, though. It will likely help them gain market share for hosting web applications, which is increasing with LLM usage.

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