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Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by emodendroket »

userbinator wrote: post #206
pmontra wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft is the enemy This made me smile, sadly. I remember when Microsoft was the new darling not many years ago, because of VS Code and WSL and the apparent goodwill about open source. Some people and I, who lived through all of Microsoft, were skeptical and believed that it was only another embrace phase of their EEE pattern. I'm not sure if they are extinguishing something but it turns out that they are squeez…

They're open-sourcing things either because they get no value from them anymore, or just want more unpaid "community" labour.

OK well that's the whole "open source" model. It's not some Microsoft perversion of it. The reason they moved from "free software" to "open source" was specifically rejecting the ideological stuff that would prevent business exploitation

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by jijji »

pmontra wrote: post #158
jmward01 wrote: post #127

This is the new way and we need to stop it now. Forget the 'is it legal or not' arguments, their lawyers will win. Just get mad and tell them this is wrong. Stop buying their #$@#$ software. Block them. This is what is wrong with cars too. Don't want to give them real time data on you and your passengers and instead try to disconnect the modem? Well, no car functionality for you even if it doesn't need it. -get mad-…

> Microsoft is the enemy This made me smile, sadly. I remember when Microsoft was the new darling not many years ago, because of VS Code and WSL and the apparent goodwill about open source. Some people and I, who lived through all of Microsoft, were skeptical and believed that it was only another embrace phase of their EEE pattern. I'm not sure if they are extinguishing something but it turns out that they are squeez…

I think Microsoft stopped being the "darling" in 1994 when they got sued by Stacker and had to pay $120 million for stealing their source code and using it in their own product.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by emodendroket »

hotstickyballs wrote: post #174
nine_k wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is big, internally incoherent (even inimical, according to some accounts), and people responsible for VSCode and WSL are likely totally unrelated to people determining when and how to crack MS's crown jewel, the Office suite, in an attempt to squeeze out a few dollars more.

That's why anything that goes against the long-established corporate culture aren't likely to stay around for long.

Visual Studio Code has been around over a decade and there is zero indication it's going anywhere.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by emodendroket »

jayceekay wrote: post #226
gucci-on-fleek wrote: post #215

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> Things like VS Code literally destroy the cottage industry and likely has held back our industry by several decades. VS Code was released in 2015, so even if its initial release somehow completely stopped the entire software industry, it would still not have held the industry back by several decades. > MSFT needs to be at least six separate companies: Windows, Office, GitHub, Visual Studio, Xbox, and Azure. That wo…

They said cottage industry, not software industry. Edit: s/he/they/woops sorry

OK but is that even true? Lots of people buy IntelliJ licenses (or if they've stopped I'm guessing it has more to do with Claude Code than VS Code).

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by emodendroket »

radium3d wrote: post #152
jmward01 wrote: post #127

This is the new way and we need to stop it now. Forget the 'is it legal or not' arguments, their lawyers will win. Just get mad and tell them this is wrong. Stop buying their #$@#$ software. Block them. This is what is wrong with cars too. Don't want to give them real time data on you and your passengers and instead try to disconnect the modem? Well, no car functionality for you even if it doesn't need it. -get mad-…

You didn't start using libreoffice.org like 15 years ago?

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Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by nine_k »

shimman wrote: post #204
nine_k wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is big, internally incoherent (even inimical, according to some accounts), and people responsible for VSCode and WSL are likely totally unrelated to people determining when and how to crack MS's crown jewel, the Office suite, in an attempt to squeeze out a few dollars more.

Why are we acting like VS Code is nothing but a way to stop independent developers from selling their tools? Things like VS Code literally destroy the cottage industry and likely has held back our industry by several decades. MSFT needs to be at least six separate companies: Windows, Office, GitHub, Visual Studio, Xbox, and Azure. That would kneecap the company and destroy its parasitic blight on our industry for sev…

Have releases of other open-source tools destroyed cottage industries? Certainly they have, to an extent.

Would it be better if most tools you use were proprietary, built by cottage industries? I doubt it. Especially if we notice that cottage industries tend to consolidate, and the few remaining players are rarely very community-oriented.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by emodendroket »

rockskon wrote: post #200
jmward01 wrote: post #127

This is the new way and we need to stop it now. Forget the 'is it legal or not' arguments, their lawyers will win. Just get mad and tell them this is wrong. Stop buying their #$@#$ software. Block them. This is what is wrong with cars too. Don't want to give them real time data on you and your passengers and instead try to disconnect the modem? Well, no car functionality for you even if it doesn't need it. -get mad-…

"Their lawyers will win" is plainly wrong assumption if something is clearly illegal.

Yeah. But it seems unlikely that that's the caes here.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by jijji »

Animats wrote: post #186
radium3d wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't start using libreoffice.org like 15 years ago?

I did. SunOffice, then OpenOffice, then LibreOffice. It still isn't very good, though.

I think you mean "StarOffice" which later forked into OpenOffice, then LibreOffice.
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