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Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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You are conflicting room layout to home layout. In genreal, blueprints or something similar are available. Where your bed, sofa, and tables are located isn't.

"Abort! Abort! The bastard is painting. He's moved the sofa."

Haha, yeah. Exactly my thoughts.

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Yeah, definitely. On one hand it's obvious such companies will want this data precisely to make their systems work. On the other hand... once they have the data, we all know it also ends up wherever someone is willing to pay for it. Even if they say it's not the goal today... 10 years from now how do you know the owner of the data at that point will feel the same way? Doubly so since they don't seem to be making any…

> OTOH, there are definitely jobs which get conflated as having a low barrier to entry (for the average person) but actually take many years of training to be able to get a typical job in Isn't the barrier to entry due to the jobs not allowing for mistakes? Cleaning has a high tolerance for mistakes (e.g. missing bits, leaving streaks on windows etc) and so it's fine for an inexperienced cleaner to learn from their m…

Yeah, I'd say a job "does not allow for many mistakes" and "requires skill in the labor" are two ways of saying the same thing. If it's alright to do the job completely wrong most of the time and it still make sense to be hired then the base position in that job does not have a skills requirement.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Looks to me like they want to get in on 3D mapping homes that haven't already been mapped by a Roomba or other similar bot. There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police. At the same time the customer's home is being cleaned, all objects can be scanned to data-mine the customer's shopping preferences. Maybe training AI and bots is part of what they're trying to accomplish, but I just can't help w…

> There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police.

Perhaps more to thieves who can make sure they break into a place worth raiding.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Could be a greedy landlord, but they did turn off his security cameras, so I'm giving him the benefit of doubt for now.

Security cameras inside an apartment for rent, what is essentially a hotel room? Is this common?

Sadly, yes: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/how-to-...

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Looks to me like they want to get in on 3D mapping homes that haven't already been mapped by a Roomba or other similar bot. There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police. At the same time the customer's home is being cleaned, all objects can be scanned to data-mine the customer's shopping preferences. Maybe training AI and bots is part of what they're trying to accomplish, but I just can't help w…

>There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police.

The police basically already have this in the form of building records. Unless you live in a really old building or you've made unapproved modifications, they've got an accurate layout if they care to look.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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I don't know how such start-ups get funded and come up with such harebrained ideas. Unless its a marketing gimmick, I don't understand what this company is looking to learn. A tiny RAG learning with a small sample + maybe getting some professional cleaners and data from any Chinese robo cleaning companies on potential floor configurations would compress this cycle and save them a lot of money. Good luck to the investors - but if they signed up for this plan, they deserve a their money being cleaned up better than users' homes

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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Housekeeper. House Cleaner. The first organizes things and may do the laundry or put away groceries or something. I wouldn't know for certain, as my income doesn't yet reach to those heady heights. The second vacuums, mops, cleans bathrooms, etc.

But, to have a House Cleaner, you must do the Housekeeping. House Cleaner is not going to vacuum around your piles of dirty laundry.

Some will, but the levels of disrespect required toward one’s employee - and oneself - required, is quite high.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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If 41% of households are actively employing a cleaner then it seems very likely that more than 50% would be happy to have their home cleaned if only they could afford it (as opposed to the commenter starting this thread, who seems to see household cleaning as a positive part of their life).

How big of a bubble do you have to be in to be thinking "I like cleaning" is the majority position among normal people?

Is it “I like cleaning”,

or “I benefit from knowing some moron didn’t come flood the cracks of my floors and wood cabinetry, creating mold”?

Yet to come across pros doing it better than me, means I don’t hire pros yet.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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The real cause is that you and your wife never learned how to keep house. I'm in the same boat. My house is cluttered. Not like hoarder bad but stuff just piles up. I've been a guest where the house is always neat and everything is put away. The hosts just never let anything get out of place. Everything they own has a place and it always goes back there immediately after its used. They maintain this organized well ke…

Did those people have young children?

Some of them, yes. But you'd hardly know looking at their house.

Re: Shift will clean homes for free to train future robots

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There is plenty of money to be made selling home layouts to police Is there?

yeah the parent was a rather dumb comment. police don't buy intelligence on the population en mass. how could they afford it snd how could they use it without probable cause? if you are already a target of an investigation they can get a warrant for free with due process.

rofl

I assume you are being tongue-in-cheek, but too subtle

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