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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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I like this analogy - sparring with each other like toddlers do, before realizing that they have a lot in common as they age, like the English language, industrialization, the systemic abuse of natives, Big Oil, the World Wars and racism. Now that they're older, they're sparring once again, just like siblings do over the parents' estate.

This is terrible analogy. We're more like neighbours, and US is a bully. We made a decision not to have much a fence before we were friendly neighbours. We regret that decision, and are planting a hedge and reaching out to our other "neighbours" for support. The whole neighbourhood thinks you're assholes and bullies, we're all scared. But that is bring us closer together as result, so there's some upside. Racism? Oh…

Siblings can also be bullies.

Canadian and American racism is documented in specific events, unlike in other countries. I'd be hard pressed to find specific racism-driven events in Poland or Czechia, even though they top the racist charts.

I'm not American so your second point is completely moot.

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This is terrible analogy. We're more like neighbours, and US is a bully. We made a decision not to have much a fence before we were friendly neighbours. We regret that decision, and are planting a hedge and reaching out to our other "neighbours" for support. The whole neighbourhood thinks you're assholes and bullies, we're all scared. But that is bring us closer together as result, so there's some upside. Racism? Oh…

Siblings can also be bullies. Canadian and American racism is documented in specific events, unlike in other countries. I'd be hard pressed to find specific racism-driven events in Poland or Czechia, even though they top the racist charts. I'm not American so your second point is completely moot.

Sir, Nawrocki is only the president because of racist pressures. I don't even hate him but you cannot argue that he would be elected if it weren't for fear of foreigners.

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As an American with mostly headline-level knowledge of Canadian politics, this Mark Carney seems unusually competent and effective, as far as heads-of-state go.

He was the Governor of both the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada.

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It's kind of insane they trusted us to begin with. Why?

Because Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon. He is unique in that he seems to have absolute control over the Republican base which makes all internal party checks fail. The rest is provided by a hyper polarized media landscape and a conservative supreme court majority that seems to be open to radical upheavals. The combination of all three has rendered the constitutional safe guards ineffective. In…

> Because Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon.

unless the US extinguishes all of its billionaires and somehow convinces 1/3 to 1/2 of their population to not vote against their own interests it'll happen again

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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In related news: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/05/21/italy-moves-to... I guess insulting and threatening your allies isn't great for arms sales.

If people want to grasp the view of US in Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8qSZO4jvTI (You can watch just the first minute to get the gist)

Hadn't seen that before. Bloody marvellous.

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Trump did not rise to power in isolation. He has not remained in isolation while in power. Voter support for Trump is still reasonably strong, and Trump and his supporters have ensured that the mechanisms of Government are packed with loyalists. America chose this. America continues to tolerate this. America enabled this. This isn't something that Trump can be scapegoated for. This is what many Americans wanted, or a…

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> We also take issue with them cozying up to the ChiComms.

does everything possible to spite the Canadian economy. then has the gall to be surprised that Canada would cozy up to people who don't shit on them

who would have guessed?

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Trump did not rise to power in isolation. He has not remained in isolation while in power. Voter support for Trump is still reasonably strong, and Trump and his supporters have ensured that the mechanisms of Government are packed with loyalists. America chose this. America continues to tolerate this. America enabled this. This isn't something that Trump can be scapegoated for. This is what many Americans wanted, or a…

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Erm, Apple gear, cheap stuff, and much of the generic drug market comes from those ChiComs. Or is it ok if the US does it?

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>The only thing really stopping Alberta from leaving is whether or not BC, Ontario, and Quebec are willing to fight a war to stop it. Unlike the individual US states, Alberta never joined Canada. It was not an entity that existed prior to Canada's confederation. Alberta was basically pencil-whipped into existence by carving out a chunk of an already existing territory (the Northwest Territory). Despite American and R…

The implication that this somehow weakens Alberta’s constitutional status is false. Alberta is a full province under the Constitution of Canada with the same constitutional standing as the other provinces. The Supreme Court has already ruled that Canada and other provinces would be obligated to negotiate terms of separation should a province ever vote to leave in a clear referendum. Yes, support for leaving is probab…

>The implication that this somehow weakens Alberta’s constitutional status is false.

I implied no such thing. In fact I was careful to use the term "unilaterally" when referring to secession. My understanding is doing it properly would require a full constitutional amendment.

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Trump did not rise to power in isolation. He has not remained in isolation while in power. Voter support for Trump is still reasonably strong, and Trump and his supporters have ensured that the mechanisms of Government are packed with loyalists. America chose this. America continues to tolerate this. America enabled this. This isn't something that Trump can be scapegoated for. This is what many Americans wanted, or a…

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The trade deficit with Canada is because Americans are buying Canadian products.

Enough Canadians (seriously, the vast majority) live close enough to the border that they could make a weekly trip to the USA and purchase American dairy and other American goods. In fact, prior to the tariffs many Canadians did make regular shopping trips across the border.

So let's be clear: we were buying your products to the extent we wanted to, already.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Because Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon. He is unique in that he seems to have absolute control over the Republican base which makes all internal party checks fail. The rest is provided by a hyper polarized media landscape and a conservative supreme court majority that seems to be open to radical upheavals. The combination of all three has rendered the constitutional safe guards ineffective. In…

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