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Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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This datacenter stuff is such populist brainrot.

Big Tech isn't exactly doing a great job of marketing them. Saying they're for AI while doing mass layoffs attributed to AI isn't a winning message.

And saying they’ll bring in jobs, while neglecting to mention that is during the construction phase.

And also they come with huge tax breaks.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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The heat has to go somewhere and that is the environment. 300 MWh is enough energy to boil over 3k metric tons of water. That's 107 medium fuel trucks for perspective.

Luckily AI data centers produce nowhere near that amount of heat. Remember the heat is waste and 300 MWh is the total draw. Some of that energy becomes heat. That ratio is somewhere like 100:1 though. Also, the waste water is only like 10F hotter than the intake. We build GW sized PP all the time and they will leak far more heat (as like on the order of 100x) than a 300 MWh AI data center. Thought there were supposed…

Some? Where else does the energy go?

An electronic circuit drawing 1W of input power will dissipate all of that 1W as heat (assuming it's not outputting light or sound or other physical side effects).

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

#233
God I hope this idiocy stays within the United States. I have heard some rumblings about a protest against a local equinix expansion. I just cant tolerate living on a planet with this level of instant, reactive stupidity to the latest trendy thing to hate.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The heat has to go somewhere and that is the environment. 300 MWh is enough energy to boil over 3k metric tons of water. That's 107 medium fuel trucks for perspective.

This seemed high to me. According to Google, one ton of water takes about 730kWh to boil. So I think you’re off by an order of magnitude, it’s only ~450 metric tons. (But this assumes that no heat is radiated away in other forms.)

Google confused you. One needs 730 kWh to fully evaporate 1 ton of water.

Otherwise it's 1.16 Wh/kg (or kWh/ton) to rise the temprature by 1°C. Thus one needs a delta of 80°C, so 93 Wh to boil a kg of 20°C water. That's what my napkin math was based on. I used that metric a lot to calculate heat deltas in storage tanks.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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There are lots of nonsensical stories like this circulating on social media right now. Water draw for datacenters can't turn tap water brown. That's a supply or piping issue.

https://hellawater.com/why-is-my-water-brown-causes-solution... Here's one link amongst many a quick Google search that explains how low system pressure from increased demand can cause discolored water. (Check out the section on municipal water supply disruptions) I live in new orleans and entire neighborhoods need to boil water in periods of high demand.

Me: "that's a supply or piping issue"

Your page: "This discoloration happens because of rust, dirt, or old pipes in your plumbing. Problems with the city water supply can also cause it."

We're saying the same thing. It's the responsibility of the water system to pump clean water to people. Customers actually using that service can't be blamed for the system's failure to deliver it, as the customers aren't actually making the water brown themselves.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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It's poetically beautiful that the tool was very very clearly built mostly if not entirely using AI

A lot of the copy also looks like AI. The text (especially the "About" section, key concerns, and Erin’s quote) reads like strong AI-generated or heavily AI-edited copy. It has that clean, structured, persuasive style common in tools like Claude, ChatGPT, or Grok. Many observers on Reddit and elsewhere noted it “looks 100% designed by Claude.”

"The text (especially the "About" section, key concerns, and Erin’s quote) reads like strong AI-generated or heavily AI-edited copy. It has that clean, structured, persuasive style common in tools like Claude, ChatGPT, or Grok. "

Not this shit again. Someone writes in clean English, people on HN are like iT muST bE Ai caUSe NoONe wouLD wrITe lIKE tHAt

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seemed high to me. According to Google, one ton of water takes about 730kWh to boil. So I think you’re off by an order of magnitude, it’s only ~450 metric tons. (But this assumes that no heat is radiated away in other forms.)

Google confused you. One needs 730 kWh to fully evaporate 1 ton of water. Otherwise it's 1.16 Wh/kg (or kWh/ton) to rise the temprature by 1°C. Thus one needs a delta of 80°C, so 93 Wh to boil a kg of 20°C water. That's what my napkin math was based on. I used that metric a lot to calculate heat deltas in storage tanks.

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Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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It's poetically beautiful that the tool was very very clearly built mostly if not entirely using AI

I'm curious peoples criteria to determine this or is it just "vibes"? Like I get it looks a lot like apps built with AI but weren't LLMs trained on real website and a metric ton of website templates? Is it possible they used a template or other UI library?

"I'm curious peoples criteria to determine this or is it just "vibes"?"

I wrote a whole post about it. Tldr: "I dont like this shit so it must be AI". BENEATH. EVERY. FUCKING. POST.

https://write.as/shantnu/llm-witch-hunts-are-getting-really-...

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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post #237
post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google confused you. One needs 730 kWh to fully evaporate 1 ton of water. Otherwise it's 1.16 Wh/kg (or kWh/ton) to rise the temprature by 1°C. Thus one needs a delta of 80°C, so 93 Wh to boil a kg of 20°C water. That's what my napkin math was based on. I used that metric a lot to calculate heat deltas in storage tanks.

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Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

#240
post #128

It's poetically beautiful that the tool was very very clearly built mostly if not entirely using AI

The most boring comment on the whole internet now - just blindly calling every single thing slop and pretending that has any vague value whatsoever. All noise, no signal.

"The most boring comment on the whole internet now just blindly calling every single thing slop and pretending that has any vague value whatsoever."

I 100% agree. And I notice you are being downvoted by the LLM Witch Hunt Committee.

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