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Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Post by asciimoo »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #214
asciimoo wrote: post #122

Ohi, I'm the author of the open source Searx metasearch engine. I'm working on a self-hosted search service called Hister with the same goal when I started Searx development: reduce dependence on online search engines. Hister is a full text indexer for websites and local files which automatically saves all the visited pages rendered by your browser. It provides a flexible web (and terminal) search interface & query l…

I use my own domain index to navigate the web. - If I wanted to use use my domain list to start hister, to download my preconfigured / like domains? - Can I make some pages to rank higher in it? - Can I assign tags to pages (by which I could later on filter?) My domain index - https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

> If I wanted to use use my domain list to start hister, to download my preconfigured / like domains?

Yes, Hister has a built-in crawler which supports standard HTTP and different browser based backends

> Can I make some pages to rank higher in it?

You can create priority rules to boost the ranking of the matching domains/URLs

> Can I assign tags to pages (by which I could later on filter?)

It is possible to add a label to indexed documents

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

agotterer wrote: post #132
d12bb wrote: post #7

I switched to Kagi little over a year ago and couldn’t recommend it enough. The search results are actually what I’m searching for, there is AI for the occasions I want it (and only then), and it comes with nice extras like search personalization and a great translation app. Tried to live without it when my first year of subscription ran out, but I didn’t last long…

I subscribed to Kagi for a few months and really wanted to stick with it. For general web searches the results were exactly what I was looking for. It was the lack of local/location based search that kept sending me back to Google.

Local business searches has been bad for years. I setup g! as a shortcut in the query to use Google for this specific reason. Part of the problem is that Google ratings search integration made alternatives like yelp irrelevant.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Post by treis »

blazarquasar wrote: post #138
jvidalv wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the root problem is, who searches anymore? Or better said, the ones who search are decreasing exponentially. I only use Google to search for reddit posts. The rest is ChatGPT or Claude.

We must have wildly different workflows/ways to interact with the web. Search is always faster than asking an LLM if I have a general idea of what I am looking for. I may consult an LLM if I want to compare things or kick off deep research, but most of the time I find myself having to go back and forth with it and correcting assumptions it made. According to my Kagi stats, I am averaging around 3k searches per month.…

Can you give an example of your searches?

I'm with the GP. To me LLMs are just better search engines. In the most literal sense. They have their own index and can generate links if you want them.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Post by K2h »

a list of engines I ran across the other day: https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...

The three dominant English search engines with their own indexes are Google, Bing, and Yandex but this list has many spiders and engines that traverse the web.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Post by hagerman »

kgwxd wrote: post #116
d12bb wrote: post #7

I switched to Kagi little over a year ago and couldn’t recommend it enough. The search results are actually what I’m searching for, there is AI for the occasions I want it (and only then), and it comes with nice extras like search personalization and a great translation app. Tried to live without it when my first year of subscription ran out, but I didn’t last long…

Needing to be authenticated too run a search feels very wrong, in soooo many ways.

They do have something called Privacy Pass that lets you search using an untraceable cryptographic token instead: https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Post by dannyfritz07 »

yanis_t wrote: post #222

If google stops driving traffic to the websites, website owners will have zero incentive put out new content, and then what?

I think the endgame is you go to Google or your favorite subscription based LLM for knowledge instead of visiting websites. Ads can continue living within LLM search results and it can even become a marketplace where you order within the LLM environment.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Post by veber-alex »

blazarquasar wrote: post #138
jvidalv wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the root problem is, who searches anymore? Or better said, the ones who search are decreasing exponentially. I only use Google to search for reddit posts. The rest is ChatGPT or Claude.

We must have wildly different workflows/ways to interact with the web. Search is always faster than asking an LLM if I have a general idea of what I am looking for. I may consult an LLM if I want to compare things or kick off deep research, but most of the time I find myself having to go back and forth with it and correcting assumptions it made. According to my Kagi stats, I am averaging around 3k searches per month.…

You are doing a 100 searches a day on avarage? Is your job to search for random stuff on the internet?
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