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Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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I think it would be helpful for you to clarify which part of the chain you found objectionable: - in 2015, OpenAI was founded as a Delaware nonprofit - in 2017, OpenAI discovered the scaling laws and realized they needed far more compute (and thus money) than they had initially anticipated - that discovery precipitated a series of negotiations between the founders on how to restructure OpenAI to raise more money for…

The objectional part would be: - in 2019, OpenAI created a capped-profit subsidiary in order to attract funding from commercial entities Particularly if it creates a conflict of interest for anyone making decisions on behalf of the nonprofit

100% disagree.

- in 2025, OpenAI’s for-profit entity recapitalized from a capped-profit entity with residuals flowing to the nonprofit to a traditional public benefit corporation with traditional equity

This is the egregious part. Before full for profit conversion it was worth $300B. Then after $850B.

A true fiduciary would set an auction and that would set the price for for profit valuation. And then all existing investors would keep the value of their positions, but would be diluted because capped profit is worth much less than unlimited profit and residuals.

But, they sold it to themselves for a bargain basement price. The nonprofit lost out on $300B or so. Maybe more.

It was not an arm’s length transaction. It was self-dealing.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Just because other organizations do it doesn't make it not objectionable, and there have been many threads on HN criticizing Mozilla's structure along similar lines. In this case, my understanding is that e.g. Altman is on the nonprofit board and also makes big $$$ from the for-profit, which seems like a pretty big conflict of interest.

HN is of course not a monolith, but from my recollection most of the frustration and criticism w/r/t Mozilla is about its product strategy and executive team, not its corporate structure. Some other examples of nonprofits with for-profit subsidiaries include National Geographic, the AARP, and most research universities. On Altman, the trial showed that Altman does not have any equity in the for-profit. He does have s…

He tried to get 11% equity but the trial made that impossible.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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I dunno man, there are two "tech" industry worlds and the one you and I -- hacker types -- think of as "tech" is not what the rest of the world means. They mean the other one, which has almost nothing to do with the actual technology and instead everything to do with the absolutely apeshit amount of money, power, influence and intrigue that the technology enabled. This was a very large apeshit $$ amount back in IBM v…

Interesting. So, the actual concern now for the average person is ... which narcissist is steering the apocalypse? Yeah, that's slightly more engaging than RAM prices.

Replying so I can save this comment :)

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Because they lost and crumbled. They were unbelievably outmatched by Sam (a world-class manipulator) and Satya (the money behind OpenAI and himself a political genius.) They were outmaneuvered, panicked, and folded. Did they have to? No. But in the moment they thought they were on the precipice of nuking a deca-billion dollar company, their life’s greatest work, and a generational company. It’s hard to stand against…

Then they should have made the position clear to the public, or at the very least have some communication with the employees. It's not hard to say that they were against Sam for some particular reason, if they are firing him. At least if the reason is good that might have given them some credibility. And why did Ilya become Sam lover after 2 days?

> Then they should have made the position clear to the public

From what I understand, their legal counsel advised them not to speak publicly. Being inexperienced in this sort of political game, they thought they were doing the right thing.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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What about stealing 12 million books of copyrighted human culture, at massive scale, and then enclosing the value created inside proprietary, investor-backed systems? Something wrong with that? What happens if you go tomorrow, downtown San Francisco, and leave a bookstore with one book without paying? "Behind every great fortune there is a crime" - Honoré de Balzac

> What about stealing 12 million books Who's missing the books? 12 million books is a rather large warehouse! I thought HN was in the "information wants to be free" camp...

haha, thanks for my daily.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Worse? There is nothing wrong with wanting 1B. Anybody who said they wouldn't want it is lying.

That level of personal wealth is inherently immoral and doesn’t *ever* happen without exploitation.

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Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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How do you know that?

Because then we already have it, and if we do, it is pretty underwhelming.

So maybe we do have it, and it is underwhelming? Or it's not underwhelming and we just got used to it.

Using that as an argument to say we don't have AGI doesn't really make sense.

Regardless of whether we do or don't have AGI, until I actually see the economy-ending job losses, I won't believe it.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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post #124

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What about stealing 12 million books of copyrighted human culture, at massive scale, and then enclosing the value created inside proprietary, investor-backed systems? Something wrong with that? What happens if you go tomorrow, downtown San Francisco, and leave a bookstore with one book without paying? "Behind every great fortune there is a crime" - Honoré de Balzac

> What about stealing 12 million books Who's missing the books? 12 million books is a rather large warehouse! I thought HN was in the "information wants to be free" camp...

LLM weights deserve to be free

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Money is the most honest transaction, if people are paying money to anthropic it means its solving their pain. Its the same reason OpenAI and others are copying Anthropic.

This is some late-stage capitalist cope. Money goes to the person who can hoodwink people into thinking their product will do something they care about, not the person with the product that actually does something people want. There are a litany of examples of people swearing up and down by products that have been scientifically proven to __DO NOTHING__. The correlation between popularity and quality is tenuous AT BE…

> Money goes to the person who can hoodwink people into thinking their product will do something they care about

So Google, MS, FB, OpenAI could not "hoodwink" people?

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Unfortunately they survived, not going to spend time with this. From my point of view they are yet another big tech bros company.

About as empty a comment as ever

Nah, a comment about a point of view, naturally doesn't land with AI bros.
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