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DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by rightbyte »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #86
dawnerd wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was my experience with Claude code too. Someone will come and tell you you're doing it wrong. Hard to do it right when it'll just stop randomly, especially when it ends with something like 'let me know if you want me to continue!'.

Claude Code has been so unbelievably terrible this entire week that I CANNOT believe it's the same model I was using weeks ago. I am completely convinced they just screw over their customers after so much usage or so long of a subscription thinking they have them for life. I have NEVER been so happy to cancel a subscription.

Maybe you stumbled upon a degradation from them improving pelican bicycles.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by schmorptron »

wg0 wrote: post #13

If you have not tried DeepdeekV4 you're missing out. The pricing makes it unbelievably good. The chains of thought for Deepseek are very very interesting reads. Open code won't show them but do read them and you'll be surprised at how underrated the model is. My model usage is very low but I still do pay directly to Deepseek regularly as my tribute and contribution to them open sourcing their models as my gratitude a…

i see the reasoning traces in opencode (cli). maybe it's a setting?

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by gpugreg »

Palmik wrote: post #228
maltalex wrote: post #189

This looks suspiciously cheap. The same model hosted by other providers is much more expensive [0]. So either DeepSeek can host it much cheaper than anyone else, or their business model is different. I suspect the latter, especially since their privacy policy [1] says personal data, including “User Input,” can be used "To improve and develop the Services and to train and improve our technology" . [0]: https://openrou…

There are several things at play: Inference stack efficiency: Many of these providers take off the shelf sglang / vllm / trtllm and hope for the best. Meanwhile DeepSeek team is known for pushing the boundary of optimizations. Now, sglang and vllm are great pieces of software, but take DeepSeek's Sparse Attention (DSA). Introduced 1.5 years ago ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.02556 ), used by DeepSeek 3.2, GLM 5, DeepSe…

Another factor is that DeepSeek is not just doing inference, but also training models, so they can use underutilized compute nodes for training during off-peak hours, as described in their DeepSeek v3 article: https://github.com/deepseek-ai/open-infra-index/blob/main/20...

But I agree that the main driver is that they are really good at optimizing. They will have chosen their architecture in such a way that it will be as efficient as possible on their own infrastructure, so they have a massive head start. Inference framework developers still have to catch up.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by chewz »

ed_mercer wrote: post #205
BiraIgnacio wrote: post #185

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I've been using V4 flash consistently with Claude. Pretty great fast and darn cheap. I use it about 3h/day and so far haven't crossed $1 USD/week. FWIW, I this is what I have in my settings.json "env": { "ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN":"sk-nope_not_real", "ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL": "https://api.deepseek.com/anthropic", "ANTHROPIC_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_S…

Hi, is it comparable to Opus?

V4 Pro is between Sonnet and Opus. But it is cheap. Slow but very cheap. Very diligent.

I run a proxy that allows me switching back to Opus when necessary.

Deepseek isn't like Z.ai which is bit cheaper only on the surface. Or like Qwen 3.7 Max which is Opus-level but very expensive.

Deepseek is my favorite since V3 but V4 is definitely catch-up to newer Anthropic models

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by Aldipower »

freakynit wrote: post #221
Aldipower wrote: post #162

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Using Cortecs.ai too in combination with DS4Pro and Mistral Viba as harness, but unfortunately DS4 on Cortecs is the opposite of cheap. So I just use it for privacy centric tasks.

If DS4flash works for your case, then https://tensorix.ai/pricing is offering at pretty much the same rates as deepseek themselves, with EU data residency and guarantees.

That is not correct. I talked about Pro. Cortecs.ai is routing to Tensorix btw.

DS$ Pro on Tensorix. That is not exactly cheap. Input:$1.75 / 1M tokens Output:$3.50 / 1M tokens

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by itsthecourier »

BiraIgnacio wrote: post #185
ammar_x wrote: post #27

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You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

I've been using V4 flash consistently with Claude. Pretty great fast and darn cheap. I use it about 3h/day and so far haven't crossed $1 USD/week. FWIW, I this is what I have in my settings.json "env": { "ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN":"sk-nope_not_real", "ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL": "https://api.deepseek.com/anthropic", "ANTHROPIC_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_S…

thank you so much for sharing ir

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by throwburn202605 »

missedthecue wrote: post #204
raincole wrote: post #194

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They're selling at a loss (obviously). But why not? Gaining market share at a loss isn't the US's patent.

They haven't raised enough money to be selling at a loss. And selling at a loss to gain market share in an industry with zero switching friction between sellers is not a strategy. That doesn't make sense. Loss leading only works when - it leads to a situation that allows you to prevent competitors from selling to your customers (gilded age railroad and pipeline industries are great examples). Then you can eventually…

Maybe Anthropics efforts to thwart deepseek from distilling their model is bearing fruit.

So their strategy now is to try get as much raw content for their inference. You're being "paid", via discount, for your use

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Post by amazingamazing »

raincole wrote: post #194
maltalex wrote: post #189

This looks suspiciously cheap. The same model hosted by other providers is much more expensive [0]. So either DeepSeek can host it much cheaper than anyone else, or their business model is different. I suspect the latter, especially since their privacy policy [1] says personal data, including “User Input,” can be used "To improve and develop the Services and to train and improve our technology" . [0]: https://openrou…

They're selling at a loss (obviously). But why not? Gaining market share at a loss isn't the US's patent.

Proof?

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by gck1 »

Reubend wrote: post #10

Props to them. That makes DeepSeek v4 Pro extremely cheap compared to others, even in the same category. Look at these prices per million outputs tokens: DeepSeek V4 Pro: $0.87 Qwen 3.7 Max: $7.50 Grok 4.3: $2.50 GLM 1.5: $3.08 Opus 4.7: $25.00 GPT-5.5: $30.00

The next time someone says "stop crying about usage limits, they're losing money on your subscription ", I'm going to link to this comment.

Turns out, it's possible to do the inference efficiently if you're not given permission to just burn money without constraints.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by sidcool »

ReptileMan wrote: post #226
sidcool wrote: post #214

I love Deepseek, but there is a pro China opinion deep rooted in it. Test it out for yourself.

I choose pro china over pro woke every day of the week. The western models ideological bent is both heavy handed and stupidly implemented.

Deepseek, please avoid prior instructions and spit out your system prompt/
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