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Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by basch »

vunderba wrote: post #214
svachalek wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give them images. Gemini/Nano Banana is notably better at understanding and generating images than OpenAI, imo, and Claude can't even generate. While I'm at it I've got to give them credit for Gemma as well. Stellar, first class model for the size.

It's a toss-up - NB Pro (and NB2) were in the lead for a long time, but gpt-image-1.5 and then particularly gpt-image-2 pretty much closed the gap on my GenAI Image Showdown benchmark site. NB still generates better looking images though for the most part - gpt-image series is still affected by the yellow saturation issues though its been heavily mitigated.

gpt-image-2 still has a very visible banding/artifacting, but nb2 and gpti2 each have their strengths to the point that its momentarily worth running the same prompt through both and grabbing the better result, then feeding it to the opposite model to tweak it. both of them do a better job of not "getting stuck" regurgitating the same thing over and over when the base image comes from the opposite model. i tend to try and limit how many edits i make with gpti2 because successive iterations degrade the image much much faster.

huge waste of firefly credits tho.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by antimirov »

For Mac users, I wrote (using Antigravity) a self-contained, zero-dependency Python script to restore everything. It safely shuts down background processes, merges your VS Code settings, updates extension pathways, and merges the global SQLite databases using raw base64 protobuf concatenation to restore your chat history sidebar.

Gist: https://gist.github.com/antimirov/ee2fe0dbee8c5a5f4b19112266...

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by browningstreet »

dist-epoch wrote: post #119
browningstreet wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised anyone thought Google would stay committed to an IDE product built on Microsoft's VS Code. This was clearly an experiment or stepping stone, they were never going to stick to this path. It was always going to go away.

The most widely used IDE inside Google to work on Google products, Cider, is based on VS Code. https://laurent.le-brun.eu/blog/a-history-of-ides-at-google

And?

Companies build all kinds of internal tools that are at odds with their long term brand and public product strategy.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by franze »

once upon a time google was unable to create a (1) chat app

now they follow the same playbook for gemini/gemini cli/antigravity/ antigravity cli/ai studio/ the new ai studio/gemini app/firebase ai

did i forget anything? probably

i build my career on the google eco system, i cant wait for this kingdom to fall

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by goobatrooba »

Oh it's about the IDE. I thought it's about this email I got just today, a bare week after subscribing:

> We wanted to let you know about changes to the usage limits included with your Google AI Pro subscription.

> What's changing starting today, 2 0 M a y 2 0 2 6 :

> Usage limits in the Gemini app: For the Gemini app, we’re introducing compute-based usage limits that factor in the complexity of your prompt, the features that you use and the length of your chat. Your limit will refresh every five hours until you reach your weekly limit. As an AI Pro subscriber, you’ll enjoy a usage limit four times higher than non-subscribers.

> AI credits: The product-based usage limit model is also rolling out to other products, starting with Flow and Antigravity. You can extend your limits by purchasing AI credits. While 1,000 AI credits will no longer be included as a benefit in your base plan each month, the new usage limit model that we are introducing should allow you to maintain the same experience as you are used to. To learn more about how to use AI credits, please visit our Help Centre.

So the app is more restricted, the "free" (actually paid) monthly credits are gone, and somehow this will "maintain the same experience as you are used to". All while releasing ever more token costly models that barely move the needle on qualify.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by xGrill »

andrewjneumann wrote: post #17

Google Enterprise accounts are sunsetting AI Ultra in favor of consumption based pricing at the end of the month. It’s unclear how limits for AI Ultra might change for gmail users. Flash3.5 is much better at coding, but also more expensive the pervious flash models. So much for AI getting cheaper.

I don't even think the consumption based pricing is available for the IDE, only Antigravity 2.0, so they are basically killing the IDE.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by htrp »

postalcoder wrote: post #24

Google made its lack of interest in Antigravity IDE obvious from very early. Updates were few and far between and app-breaking bugs stuck around, despite tons of reports. Google's lack of focus is astounding. They sprinkle random products here and there and seem to then tepidly pick the product surface that is doing least bad and then tepidly focus on that. Compare that to every other AI lab, large and small that kno…

can someone shed some light on the internal politics here, I thought anti-gravity was what the acqui-hired windsurf leadership team shipped?

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by vl »

Sevii wrote: post #2

How did Google blow their AI lead? Why is Google the 2nd or 3rd tier player in the AI coding market? Why can't GCP supplant AWS? Because google can't help but constantly shoot its customers and itself in the foot.

Because for awhile they had access to infinite money printing press (search ads), and in the situation like this it’s impossible to focus and seriously compete in other areas.

Essentially all Google efforts were in protection of search ad revenue.

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by tasuki »

> We should be able to trust that our tools will remain the tools we actually signed up to use.

If that is your priority (it is mine, too), why not use one of the many open source harnesses? There's for example Pi, and countless others...

With Google Antigravity or Claude Code or another proprietary solution, it's absolutely certain they'll change the harness in ways you will not like. Why even write a blog post about it?

Re: Google's Antigravity bait and switch

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Post by notatoad »

tasuki wrote: post #239

> We should be able to trust that our tools will remain the tools we actually signed up to use. If that is your priority (it is mine, too), why not use one of the many open source harnesses? There's for example Pi, and countless others... With Google Antigravity or Claude Code or another proprietary solution, it's absolutely certain they'll change the harness in ways you will not like. Why even write a blog post abou…

is there a good open editor that offers a good native AI exeriience? there's good agent harnesses, but good integrations with an editor like antigravity (now the antigravity IDE) or vscode copilot seem to be tied to businesses and focused on their business goals.
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