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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by andrewla »

yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

I may be a bit unorthodox here but to me the user interest is in minimizing the amount that it attempts to modify the web. Ad blocking is frankly not something I want my browser to do. I want it to make it hard to advertise -- things like forbidding third party cookies, preventing browser fingerprinting, allowing text selection always, supporting dev tools and inspection, etc. Basically trying to respect the fact that it is a user agent and not a "server agent". This means killing off features like integrated sign-in and probably search result pre-fetching.

The reality is that if you are using ad blocking, you are free-riding off of users who are not using them. It's an illusion to believe that "ad blocking" can actually work. If "ad blockers" were universal, then sites would just work around it -- instead of serving from third-party domains they would use plugins to serve on the first-party page. This will make everything slower and more heavyweight. Right now it's just not worth doing it.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by AuthAuth »

I want to like another browser than Firefox but none of the other browsers present any interesting features and all come with web destroying downsides.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by nwienert »

Petersipoi wrote: post #174
swed420 wrote: post #139

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Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google. Follow the money. Ladybird seems to be the only hope, once available.

What is the advantage of building a browser engine from scratch? As opposed to just forking Blink and maintaining it as a separate project? Seems like the former just adds an ungodly amount of work and still doesn't solve the problem of Google using its weight to control web standards. If Firefox and Apple can't rein in Google with their competing engines, what exactly does Ladybird change?

Apple does rein them in heavily, they push back on specs all the time, somewhat effectively.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by gmueckl »

turblety wrote: post #217
gmueckl wrote: post #189

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"Being the product" refers to recording user behavior and processing it for gains. Displaying non-personalized ads (which are trivial to completely avoid in Vivaldi) is not that.

That's not really what "being the product" is commonly recognised as. Vivaldi go out to their customers (that's not you) and say "We have 1000 suckers who have downloaded and use our closed source, Chromium cloned, browser. We can serve your website as a bookmark to them, or add you to their search engine list if you give us $x." Since you are not their "customer" (that's the people paying them to appear in your sett…

That's actually NOT what this phrase implies. It is really about targeted ads and the drive for more ads and more precise targeting based on user data. Look up attention economy.

Vivaldi is not that. The only place where it shows anything remotely like ads is its default start page with prepopulated links and that can be hidden by flipping a single setting. I haven't seen this page for at least a couple of months now o my Vivaldi instances.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by gmueckl »

antiframe wrote: post #207
gmueckl wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Being the product" refers to recording user behavior and processing it for gains. Displaying non-personalized ads (which are trivial to completely avoid in Vivaldi) is not that.

You have a different definition of "being the product" than I do. A business that takes money from advertisers in exchange for your attention is selling your attention. You are the product is shorthand for your attention is the product, short of slavery.

But in order to fit the phrase the business has to actively fight for user attention to get the space for ads. This is specifically the search engine and social media model. Vivaldi is not fighting this fight. At all.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by sys_64738 »

nathanmills wrote: post #209
sys_64738 wrote: post #118

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Totally agree. It is the best browser across all platforms of mobile and desktop for me. I read on here all the excuses others make for not using Vivaldi but they don't pass the smell test for me. Long may Vivaldi prosper.

Being closed source doesn't pass the smell test?

The Vivaldi team have a long history of closed source browser development. I mean I was using Opera almost 30 years ago so I don't have any concerns about it being closed source. But you do you.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by nathanmills »

sys_64738 wrote: post #237
nathanmills wrote: post #209

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Being closed source doesn't pass the smell test?

The Vivaldi team have a long history of closed source browser development. I mean I was using Opera almost 30 years ago so I don't have any concerns about it being closed source. But you do you.

That makes it worse, not better.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by longnighthn »

the largest plorblem preventing me choose vivaldi as all platforms browser, is that its mobile version , still don't support add browser extension, and they seem won't add this feature in future.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by arikrahman »

tapoxi wrote: post #179
arikrahman wrote: post #166

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This is why I use Zen. All the benefits of Vivaldi, with the peace of mind supporting a Mozilla stack.

I love Zen but it doesn't support TouchID passkey auth on macOS. I'm someone who needs to Okta with multiple times a day, and this drove me to use Vivaldi instead.

Ah that seems like a use case where Zen falls short. I hope there comes a solution to this someday but the proprietary nature of it seems prohibitive. If Asahi Linux can figure out TouchID then maybe there might be a way.
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