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Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by rounce »

vasco wrote: post #142
rounce wrote: post #119

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“I hope X isn’t Y” is far from the same thing as “X is Y”. Seems like you’ve put words in their mouth so you can argue against some anti-religious straw man.

If I meet someone and I tell them "I hope you're not dumb", would they assume I think they are dumb or should they take it as purely whimsical? It's also funny you got stuck on that vs on the document I shared, while dissing me for pointing it out.

More like, if you say “I hope this movie doesn’t suck” are you preemptively implying the movie is rubbish, or are you expressing your hope that it is worth witnessing? Taken out of context you can make a case for either. Luckily we have the rest of the post for that context so surely it’d be reasonable to base one’s interpretation on that.

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Post by [deleted] »

erikerikson wrote: post #230
ryandrake wrote: post #146

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When Media Talking Heads say “the economy,” what they are really talking about is just rich people’s investments and old people’s retirement. Basically, for reporters, the economy = only stocks, bonds, and mutual funds.

You might consider whether this is a little too reductive. After all the values of the stock, bonds, and mutual funds are directly related to the profits and capital flows through and health of the economy. The economy is complicated and those high-level indexes are gross simplifications of a mass of complexity, but they're not entirely unrelated to whether people have money to spend and whether our liberalized econo…

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by wahern »

IAmBroom wrote: post #226
wahern wrote: post #109

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The concept of fundamental human rights is certainly new, but our notion of intrinsic human value (and intrinsic value of other life and things) arises from our empathy, which at least in its degree is perhaps our most important defining trait as a species. (Our empathy may have been a prerequisite for the emergence of our intelligence.) Conflating the two is why some people have trouble understanding why religions l…

Dogs show empathy towards not only dogs and humans, but even baby birds and rabbits - animals which one would expect to be viewed as pure caloric units, sans empathy. Whales show empathy towards their young, and towards humans. Male "loner" lions have been known to show empathic protection toward human and antelope young in the bush. It's increasingly hard to define a clear difference between Humans and "mere Animals…

Sure, just like many other animals exhibit analytical intelligence and complex communication. The seeds are there. The distinction is by degree, but the gap is pretty wide in all three cases.

No other species has been shown to systematically display non-kin, non-mating-system altruism (for which empathy is probably an integral component). It seems likely you need systematic non-kin altruism to achieve the ubiquitous, complex cooperation humans exhibit. And that complex cooperation is probably a prerequisite to make our degree of intelligence evolutionarily profitable. Otherwise human-level intelligence should be more common than our immediate lineage. (Some cousin species may very well have been smarter or more cooperative than us; relatively speaking it could be homo sapiens found a more effective equilibrium. Nonetheless our immediate lineage seems to be the only one to break through the selfish gene bottleneck that restricts other species along these axes.)

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by triceratops »

Antibabelic wrote: post #180
1718627440 wrote: post #152

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The name of an encyclical is the start of it. Does "Magnifica humanitas" sound like English to you?

I think the parent comment is wondering if it was originally drafted in English and then translated to Latin.

Aren't popes generally fluent in Latin? Being mastermind theologians and all?

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Post by triceratops »

erelong wrote: post #48

My expectations for the "encyclical": some kind of take on AI that poses as "conservative" while pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism.

What does Catholicism have to do with "(American) conservative"?

Some beliefs of Catholic faith are agreeable to American "conservatives" - "homosexuality bad, no abortion, no euthanasia". Others are music to the ears of American "liberals" - "help the poor and downtrodden, love the foreigner and everyone else, no capital punishment". But the church is the church. I don't see it as liberal or conservative. I suspect if you asked the pope, or cardinals or bishops, most would say the church is beyond such secular concerns and labels.

It has been around for far longer than any political movement or country. And I'd bet good money that it outlasts all of them.

> pushing views

A religious leader espousing religious views? Shocker.

> strongly opposed to Catholicism

Literally wrong. Only the Pope can tell you what Catholicism is. You can take it or leave it but that's how it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by erelong »

triceratops wrote: post #235
erelong wrote: post #48

My expectations for the "encyclical": some kind of take on AI that poses as "conservative" while pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism.

What does Catholicism have to do with "(American) conservative"? Some beliefs of Catholic faith are agreeable to American "conservatives" - "homosexuality bad, no abortion, no euthanasia". Others are music to the ears of American "liberals" - "help the poor and downtrodden, love the foreigner and everyone else, no capital punishment". But the church is the church. I don't see it as liberal or conservative. I suspect…

So to add to what you're saying here, a pope cannot teach error in specific infallible declarations on faith and morals, because then the whole Church would fall in to error.

Ergo, some like St. Robert Bellarmine have argued for example if a pope were to teach heresy, he would immediately cease to be a pope; others have argued it impossible for a pope to ever teach heresy at all as this was something they believed God wouldn't allow.

So, if you were to see someone claiming to be pope and teaching error on infallible issues of faith and morals, you'd have to conclude logically they could not be a Catholic pope, from a Catholic standpoint.

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Post by erikerikson »

buntsai wrote: post #176
bananaflag wrote: post #128

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> I hope the speech isn't something dumb like "remember only humans have souls" This is the position of the Catholic Church, so don't expect anything different. My hope is that, within those boundaries, he may find something interesting and meaningful to say.

Is that really the position of the Catholic Church or what is a caricature of what people think it believes? The nice thing about the Catholic Church is that required beliefs have a formal spec. For something has important as this, there would be a clear and unambiguous references. Catholic Catechism / church council / papal encyclical. Do you have a quotable reference? What I can find is only Aquinas that all living…

You might find a spectrum to be more useful framing than a binary. Asking when does consciousness seem more present? Are there different aspects of consciousness that can individually be validated as apparent or not? That sort of thing.

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Post by portmanteur »

lovich wrote: post #221
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #204

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It’s not about “celebrating death”. It’s about promoting a culture of assassinations and political violence. Robert Muller died of natural causes.

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Post by lovich »

portmanteur wrote: post #238
lovich wrote: post #221

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It’s not about “celebrating death”. It’s about promoting a culture of assassinations and political violence. Robert Muller died of natural causes.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

lovich wrote: post #239
portmanteur wrote: post #238

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It’s not about “celebrating death”. It’s about promoting a culture of assassinations and political violence. Robert Muller died of natural causes.

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Jesus Christ dude. This is HN. Steelman or something.
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