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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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This is one of those things that can't ever be solved with individual solutions but needs to be solved through legislation and standards, and ideally a fundamental right to privacy (and a fundamental redefinition of what privacy means when it comes to corporate surveillance of individuals).

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I guess we'll just sit on our hands and do nothing, then.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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"Legal tender" only means it must be accepted to settle a debt.

Walking out of the store with groceries generates a debt, no?

I believe that's more likely to generate a criminal charge

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…

You need GrapheneOS to sever the link to Google. You can also deny specify apps and services Internet access.

I like the idea of graphene, but I worry my banking / brokerage apps wouldn't work anymore and that'd be a deal breaker

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Modern cars are horrible. I recently discovered that all new cars sold in the EU constantly beep at you for supposedly speeding, even though the system doesn’t work well, and it has to be turned off every time you start the car.

Lane assistance on hire cars piss me off. If I need to swerve I shouldn't need to be pulling against the wheel -.-

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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I have the same car and want to do this, but not for the reasons the author noted but because the GPS unit in the car is broken when paired with Carplay and has the wrong compass heading causing navigation to be completely useless. I have reported this to Toyota multiple times with videos detailing the problem and they have denied the problem and ultimately when faced with the evidence simply refused to fix it. I've…

Some brands take software very seriously. This isn't an "entire industry" problem. My experience is pretty small; I've owned the same Tesla Model 3 LR for the last 6.5 years, and the software has been pretty much solid the entire time. There was briefly a problem with echos when I called land lines using the bluetooth and my iPhone, but that problem eventually went away - not clear if it was because the iPhone change…

> Some brands take software very seriously.

> Tesla

It's really hard to take this claim seriously about a car company that programs its self-driving system to disengage if it detects what it thinks is a likely crash, so said company can then tell investigators, regulators, juries, and the public that "the car wasn't in self-driving mode when it crashed." "I'm not touching her, Mom. THE STICK is touching her!"

...and touts itself as having the most advanced driver assistance and self-driving capabilities, yet has the highest crash rate of any brand? Beating out Mustang and Imprezza WRX STi owners is truly an accomplishment, though.

...and (still?) hasn't fixed its issues with "phantom braking" that have caused multi-car pileups

...and has self-driving software documented as being so bad it will randomly swerve at cyclists, steer at light poles while turning, and swerve at crowds of pedestrians on a street corner waiting for the light? Which after years of refinement drives about as well as a highly distracted teenager who just got their learner's permit?

Yeah, taking software "very seriously."

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Some brands take software very seriously. This isn't an "entire industry" problem. My experience is pretty small; I've owned the same Tesla Model 3 LR for the last 6.5 years, and the software has been pretty much solid the entire time. There was briefly a problem with echos when I called land lines using the bluetooth and my iPhone, but that problem eventually went away - not clear if it was because the iPhone change…

> Some brands take software very seriously. This isn't an "entire industry" problem. This does not change the fact that Tesla is shamelessly spying on you. In fact, Tesla takes the software so seriously that it can probably fully remotely control your car. This is not something that I would want, and, if I were to be gifted a Tesla, the first thing that I would do is unplugging the cellular modem. If the car becomes…

All you need to do is convince your Tesla that it's in a constant state of having just crashed, and the poof, nobody will ever see your data!

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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You need GrapheneOS to sever the link to Google. You can also deny specify apps and services Internet access.

I like the idea of graphene, but I worry my banking / brokerage apps wouldn't work anymore and that'd be a deal breaker

The Graphene community maintains a list of compatible banking apps.

Another possibility is to keep an old/cheap, stock Android phone at home with WiFi only for apps like this.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Cash handling isn't free, and for smaller businesses might actually end up being more expensive than accepting electronic payments.

If your margins are so razor thin that the cost of handling cash is significant, you need to raise your prices. Cash is legal tender -- not accepting it for in-person transactions is really shitty (maybe shouldn't be allowed?)

> you need to raise your prices.

And if the competitor doesn't? Ouch.

I think there should be a "digital equivalency act" or something to hamper full digital capture, but my feelings aside, there's a few powers that dislike cash:

Free people like cash, but businesses with low-skill/low-trust workers dislike cash because despite the CC fees, there is less theft, less overhead with cash reconciliation, cameras to watch cash with, less safes to manage, less cash pickup services.

The IRS hates it because there is a cash industry (as there should be, imo, but I'm injecting too much opinion already) that doesn't report earnings. I personally know barbers, housecleaners, handymen that admit to reporting no or few earnings, and synthesize a living off cash and benefits. If you stop paying taxes, this actually works pretty well compared to a low-end tax-paying job. My housecleaner takes overseas vacations (like, thrifty ones in hostels) 2-3 times a year this way.

Banks (arguably the IRS again, deputizing them with KYC) squint at you when you deposit or withdraw significant cash - ask any weed industry participants. Untrackable currency is a natural catch-all for people they don't want to bank with, so it's just friction and headache naturally.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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If it keeps collecting telemetry it could upload it later if it ever gets the chance. Better it isn't collected in the first place.

Good point, but in practice I think the only way onboard data could be exfiltrated is by a dealer while the car is being serviced. If you DIY or hire an independent mechanic, this seems unlikely.

Or by the FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, or some other interested entity.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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I trust Apple more than I trust Toyota.

You shouldn’t. Apple preserves backdoors in iCloud encryption to enable warrantless government surveillance. They have no other option.

It's weird to hang up on this specific item because they do actually offer an E2EE icloud option. Lose your key: lose your data.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756

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