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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by card_zero »

cryzinger wrote: post #218
ciupicri wrote: post #215

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Could you give some examples of such articles?

Not the person you're replying to, but here's one that was at the top of the homepage this morning (and that I immediately clicked out of because it had that AI stink). I would bet my next paycheck that this was heavily edited by an LLM, if not outright written by one. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47973376

OK, but to qualify it also needs glowing comments about the writing, not just interaction with the concept (or title) of the article. Only one person did that ...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47973724

... then got contradicted and downvoted.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by card_zero »

arcticfox wrote: post #209
twoodfin wrote: post #77

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hn consumers by and large weren’t upvoting AI-written technology articles 12 months ago. The models got better, and now multiple such articles appear on the front page daily—with glowing comments. Humanity’s aesthetics are not (apparently) all that sophisticated on average.

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There are underexplored musical genres?

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by mjr00 »

techno303 wrote: post #147
mjr00 wrote: post #20

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> The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. Because they allow anyone to upload to Spotify. There's nothing stopping me, you, or anyone from generating AI tracks with Suno & friends, downloading them, and using a service like LANDR or Amuse to distribute them to Spotify, all for free. > Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-…

6 tracks have made the Billboard charts. That's a pretty definitive signal that people are listening to AI music. Where to draw the line on what is/isn't AI is a rabbit hole in and of itself. You'd have a hard time convincing me that people aren't using AI to build the most powerful DSP plugins. I've been very pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to make very music-useful tools with Faust and Codex. https://www.bil…

You'll notice in the article they mention that these AI artists got into the charts thanks to 1,000 downloads sold. 1,000 is a comically easy number to game; that's US$1,000, tops, and far less if you pay for false downloads from SEA and such where prices are lower.

As a concrete example of how gamed these are, look at one of the examples from the article, Enlly Blue[0]. The video for the song mentioned in the article, Through My Soul, has 10 million views. All four of her (its?) most recent videos over the past 1 month: 2.2k views, 3.3k views, 2.1k views, 2.1k views. The views stop coming when the creator stops spending.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/@EnllyBlueOfficial/videos

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by card_zero »

neonstatic wrote: post #138
lifeformed wrote: post #132

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It takes away from real human artists who do their part to slowly advance human culture. Music will not develop without human artists. Maybe for this moment in time AI can fulfill some people's musical desires, but it's not going to keep up with the times. The point of art, in a general sense, is humanity. Automating away your artistic needs is like automating away your social needs. It's a one way "relationship" tha…

That's the creator's perspective. From a listener's perspective, it's "do I enjoy it" or "do I not enjoy it". Everything else is intellectualization.

But that means nothing. There's no raw "enjoy", except maybe drugs, and I have my doubts about that.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by card_zero »

neonstatic wrote: post #201
RiverCrochet wrote: post #186

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You hear a song with vocals that strongly emotionally resonate with you, reminding you of your mother who passed away recently after a long terrible illness. You want to know more about the singer that almost brought you to tears, only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated.

So it does something good for you, then you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made. You are letting your mind overwrite a genuine response you had based on an opinion that "it should not feel good because it's AI made". As I said in another comment - intelectualization.

It does something good for you emotionally, via cognition. Further cognition ruins this. Never meet your heroes, sort of thing.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by m463 »

jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

I think you might be right. When it comes to fad and fashion, sometimes really weird stuff catches the public eye.

Thing is, I really wish there was a way to keep from getting buried in endless dreck.

Maybe it will end up just being genres... kind of like pop can be corporate and nobody really cared about the Milli Vanilli controversy because they liked the sound.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by card_zero »

userbinator wrote: post #228
vintermann wrote: post #191

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It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? There are countless people "on the other end" --- everyone who contributed training data, and of course the one who prompted the AI to generate the result. It's odd that this debate always ends up with one side thinking there's a machine autonomously generating music, when in fact AI-generated music comes from humans using AI to create what they want.

People on both sides (which of course are not monoliths) are liable to imply that the AI was the artist.

Really what you get is a sort of conceptual art.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by parineum »

mjr00 wrote: post #20
reconnecting wrote: post #12

The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. I think Spotify (or its owners/investors) might actually benefit from recommending AI-generated music by not having to pay real artists. Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-generated music = almost infinite profit. From news: Tencent Music demonstrated strong revenue (1) growth in…

> The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. Because they allow anyone to upload to Spotify. There's nothing stopping me, you, or anyone from generating AI tracks with Suno & friends, downloading them, and using a service like LANDR or Amuse to distribute them to Spotify, all for free. > Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-…

> It's largely a vanity ouroboros where someone with more money than sense generates a song, pays bots to get fraudulent streams, and uses those streams to generate vanity metrics.

It's actually money laundering. I generate ai music and then pay hackers illicit money to listen thousands of times and then I get clean money from Spotify.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by userbinator »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #186
neonstatic wrote: post #50

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Realistically speaking, why is that a problem? What is the point of music if not enjoyment? If these people enjoy it, what's wrong with it?

You hear a song with vocals that strongly emotionally resonate with you, reminding you of your mother who passed away recently after a long terrible illness. You want to know more about the singer that almost brought you to tears, only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated.

Behind every AI-generated song is a human who wanted you to listen to its message.
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