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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by Tangurena2 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #73
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #9

Not sure which is worse here - that Meta are recording video from customers' smart glasses, or that they are firing people who talk about it.

Can I squeeze in the just a teeny tiny bit of… why the hell are you wearing an internet camera on you while naked and/or having sex? … although I really extend that to why are you wearing an internet connected camera that is obviously going to be monitored by Meta.

There are "content creators" who intentionally record people without any sort of consent. At least when they point cameras, one can notice the cameras and take action. With these sorts of glasses, no one in view has consented, nor have they agreed to any sort of terms & conditions.

I never understood the appeal of upskirt pictures. But I think that taking videos of non-consenting participants/victims is the current version of the upskirt photo craze.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by throwmeaway888 »

intended wrote: post #182
arowthway wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because person wearing glasses usually can move and video surveillance cameras usually can't? If that's not it then spell it out for me, please. Also, why would i be deceptive in this discussion? I feel like I missed some ideological conflict.

Imagine someone pulling up a smartphone and then recording everything that happens around them. Contrast that with someone wearing smart glasses and doing that exact same thing. On a separate note, (and this is a genuine question) are you by any chance aware the term Non-consensual intimate imagery / NCII? I am beginning to suspect that the average HN goer isn’t aware of the scope and scale of the Trust and Safety pr…

Have you heard the term non consensual intimate fantasies? I've heard it's an even bigger problem.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by devilbunny »

devmor wrote: post #218
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CSAM exists on social media because they are so large that it's not possible to moderate them effectively. To me this is a a no-go. If a business is so large that it cannot respect laws, it needs to be shut down. The correct way to organize social media is in federated way. Each server only holds on average a few hundred or few thousand people. Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their serv…

The one thing I will throw out here that I can add to this conversation is that I think the government simply does not care, either. It's mainly only in regard to mass public outrage, or when someone is a political target that it gets dealt with from a law enforcement level. Anecdotally, when I was a young adult I was a volunteer moderator for a large forum. We got reports of CSAM several times a month and had a proc…

That seems reasonable though. The FBI isn’t interested in busting one perv in a closet, they want the ones making the stuff.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by Aurornis »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #164
prepend wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? It seems like you must have some human involvement to train and monitor. It’s a terrible job, I wouldn’t want to do it, but someone needs to. Perhaps one day, AI will be accurate enough to not need it, but even then you need someone to process complaints and waivers (like someone’s home photos being inaccurately flagged).

CSAM exists on social media because they are so large that it's not possible to moderate them effectively. To me this is a a no-go. If a business is so large that it cannot respect laws, it needs to be shut down. The correct way to organize social media is in federated way. Each server only holds on average a few hundred or few thousand people. Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their serv…

> Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their server.

So if you want to send someone to jail, just talk your way into joining their server, upload some illegal content, and report them for it?

> Not many moderators will have to look at CSAM because the structure of the system makes is unappealing to even try sharing CSAM, knowing you will be immediately blocked.

Why would someone join a server with active moderation if they wanted to share CSAM with their social media friends?

They would seek out one of those servers that was set up specifically for those groups, where it was known to be a safe space.

This is what many people don't get about federated networks: The people in those little servers DGAF if you block them. They want to be surrounded by their likeminded friends away from the rules of some bigger service like Facebook or Twitter. Federated social media is the perfect platform for them because they can find someone who set up a server in some other country with their own idea of rules and join that, not be subject to the regulations of mainstream social media.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by Yokohiii »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #164
prepend wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? It seems like you must have some human involvement to train and monitor. It’s a terrible job, I wouldn’t want to do it, but someone needs to. Perhaps one day, AI will be accurate enough to not need it, but even then you need someone to process complaints and waivers (like someone’s home photos being inaccurately flagged).

CSAM exists on social media because they are so large that it's not possible to moderate them effectively. To me this is a a no-go. If a business is so large that it cannot respect laws, it needs to be shut down. The correct way to organize social media is in federated way. Each server only holds on average a few hundred or few thousand people. Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their serv…

I am not sold on the federated thing to solve CSAM or similar issues.

Actually companies should be bullied about privacy and copyright so they are unable to share any contents at a scale with 3rd parties. Thus they have to solve it on their own and forced to realize their business model is shit.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by cozzyd »

jaidhyani wrote: post #154
talkingtab wrote: post #18

Meta said the contracting "did not meet (meta's) standards". I am sure that is true. meta's "standard" is not to reveal the illegal, immoral, unethical things meta does. No matter what the harm. Maybe a company with those standards should not get our business. Oops, no wait, maybe they mean the Friedman Doctrine standards? In that case they are entitled to do any and every thing to make a profit. No matter what the h…

I used to work for Meta. I quit largely because of intense frustrations with the company. Meta has made a lot of mistakes, overlooked a lot of harms, and made a lot of short-sighted, selfish choices. Many things about the world are worse than they could be because of choices Meta has made. So that when I say that they really do have a zero tolerance policy for anyone using their internal systems to violate user priva…

Anecdotal of course, but I heard that this wasn't at all the case circa 2006 and that (then) FB employees would routinely read private messages and such. Obviously it wasn't a big company yet and probably didn't have those policies yet... (clearly the policies are there for a reason...)

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by intended »

swiftcoder wrote: post #226
intended wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m betting this is going to some ML / Data labelling pipeline.

Yeah, moderation may instead be labelling in this case. Its likely the same type of firm handles both sorts of work on behalf of FAANG

Sounds plausible.

We could also toss vibe coded mess on top of this and probably get closer to the truth.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by inerte »

hosteur wrote: post #153
swiftcoder wrote: post #85

One of the bigger commercial niches for smart glasses is filming POV porn, so it is hardly surprising that sort of content ended up in the moderation queue. The project should have planned to account for that use case.

Why is there even a “ moderation queue”? Isn’t this people’s private recordings?

Yes but also we don't want people live streaming murder and suicide, so there's detection and moderation in place.
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