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Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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post #138

>age verification requires identity verification. Identity verification requires digital IDs. Digital IDs require everyone — not just children — to prove who they are before they can speak... Not if it's done in a half arsed way. I'm in the UK and so far my age verification has involved doing a selfie with the webcam for Reddit. That's it. No one needing my name, ID number etc. (Apart from banks of course). Really th…

In the US, the plan is to require adults to take a picture of their state ID and upload it to a third party that provides age verification. It's not explicitly part of the proposed law but there are only a handful of companies who meet the qualifications to provide this service (id.me, Persona) and this is how they do it. I believe if you are a "minor" then you can go the post-a-selfy route.

> In the US, the plan is to require adults to take a picture of their state ID and upload it to a third party that provides age verification.

That's not just the plan - that's what's already legally required in many US states.

These laws were introduced by the explicitly religious right-wing groups like Exodus Cry and Morality in Media, as ways to de facto outlaw pornography (in their own words). They've since been laundered into the mainstream so the general public is unaware of the root cause.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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THe government shouldn't be raising anyone's children, that's what parents are for. If you're a bad parent, your kids will get access to bad things and could become an adult failure. The future of your family and your legacy is up to you, not the government. We don't need age verification to restrict the social darwinism of raising children.

Also, different kids mature at different rates. I wouldn't give a shit about my kid watching, say, an R rated movie if I understand they'll be able to handle it and understand it's fiction. If I had a 14 or 15 year old and they had a healthy understanding of sex and the dangers of porn, I wouldn't give a shit if they managed to see some poorly drawn tits online. Why? Because if you didn't intentionally seek out lewd content as a teenager you're either very very religious or a liar

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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post #11

There is a sudden concerted international push for online age verification, and we do not know where this push originates from. That is the scariest thing about it.

It's true for a lot of things in Western countries.

Evident when the fight against "hate" was suddenly everywhere, and also during covid.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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post #41

Age verification can be achieved without destroying anonymity and privacy online using anonymous credential systems, but it has to be designed that way from the ground up, and no one pushing age verification is interested in preserving privacy.

Yes, but this is not popular among technologists (see the average sentiment towards age verification here). Legislators aren't going to build technology. This will happen if age verification actually becomes a widespread requirement. But until that point the prospective builders will be fighting the entire premise of such systems.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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post #138

>age verification requires identity verification. Identity verification requires digital IDs. Digital IDs require everyone — not just children — to prove who they are before they can speak... Not if it's done in a half arsed way. I'm in the UK and so far my age verification has involved doing a selfie with the webcam for Reddit. That's it. No one needing my name, ID number etc. (Apart from banks of course). Really th…

> I'm in the UK and so far my age verification has involved doing a selfie with the webcam for Reddit. That's it. No one needing my name, ID number etc. (Apart from banks of course).

a convenient record of your face is all we need

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

#237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, who knows. I don't give legal advice. Wanna find out? ;)

Absolutely not! > How would it read? Sounds like you don't really care for this idea, so maybe just have Claude write it for you.

On the contrary. Just curious what you had in mind.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

#238

Hopefully this will give yet another push towards decentralized, open source services. Platforms where noone and everyone is responsible and the state does not get to decide the rules.

I dont think most people actually want that in practice. That's why we dont have it right now.

Re: Online age verification is the hill to die on

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Good: some commenters here realize it's an attack on privacy Bad: some still entertain the idea that we should do age verification using some sort of crypto primitives There is no reason for age verification at all. I am from the goatse generation. Rotten.com. steakandcheese. Horrific stuff tbh, I mostly stayed away from it, and I didn't need a helicopter government to protect me from it. The moment you accept the na…

Right? I especially don't understand where some of the "think of the children" attitude on porn sites, as they for the most part already ask for your age and if you didn't get some kind of amusement out of seeing tits as a teenager you're a liar
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