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Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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post #104

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There's no way for me to answer truthfully whether teal is blue or green. It is neither. Anything I give gives a false answer. The data is invalid.

Incorrect, it either lies on the blue side or the green side, you must choose. Neither is not an option.

Sometimes the answer can be “I reject the premise.”

I’m sure you’ve had conversations where that’s the answer you want to give.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#233

I think the alternative should be "this is not blue". I was served what I would call a "teal" or "turquoise" but the alternative button shows "this is green", which it was not.

100%. It's like being asked is this black or white and being shown 50% grey.

It’s not really the same, because black and white strongly connote being at the far ends of their continuum (lightness), and are thus opposites, whereas blue and green are more vaguely specified as nearby spots on their continuum (hue).

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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post #124

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but when does turquoise start and end and green starts and blue ends? or is there just another color there between them. And then what about that color?

I think you're (accidentally?) hitting on exactly the point there. For some people's language usage, blue and green are adjacent colors, and thus defining a point that divides them is perfectly fine. For other people, these are not adjacent -- for some people, there's a single color (aqua? turquoise?) between them, and green and turquoise are adjacent colors, as are turquoise and blue, and it's reasonable to ask abou…

Are there really people whose language treats “cyan” and “turquoise” as distinct colors which are not in the “blue-green” family?

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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It should probably alternate between blue/notblue... green/notgreen. I hit the same wall. Second question asked if blue/green when it was neither... and I really mean neither. I don't see cyan as a shade of blue or green, rather much like I don't see green as a shade of blue or yellow.

Huh. I consider cyan to be blue, but it turns out it's made by mixing equal parts of blue and green light on an RGB display. I guess that makes sense thinking about it now since it's not a deep blue, and there's obviously no red component, but I never thought of it as being defined as equal parts blue and green. (Turquoise I would consider to be blue-green/both).

yeah I've always thought of cyan as just "blue, but really bright", which does make sense - you're going from 0, 0, 100 (blue) to 0, 100, 100 (cyan) so it's twice as far from pure black. I also see pure cyan as being much more blue than green.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Thats the exact point of this experiment to define the inbetween and move it to either green or blue. :/

Wrong way to do it. We know from psychometrics that forced binaries like this just create junk (people disagree with the question, so just choose a forced answer based on some heuristic for each such question like "closest to my mouse / finger" or "most socially desirable" or "same as last time"). So you aren't measuring what you think when you force choice like this. If you're going to go with linguistic self-report…

Is it really junk though? There are several comments in this thread like “people tell me I call stuff blue that they think is green and this quiz confirms that.”

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#237

As other commenters here have noted, I found this interesting but a little frustrating. The second color it asks about is clearly cyan (or turquoise). For me, this is like showing an orange screen and asking if it is red or yellow. I understand that across cultures "orange" does not exist as a distinctly named color (it only got its name in most European languages around the 1500s), but as someone who was trained sin…

Logically I understand that cyan is directly between green and blue, but my brain believes it's 100% blue.

BTW, cyan is very poorly represented by sRGB color space. I was delighted to see the real vibrant cyan of the Mediterranean sea.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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post #187

As other commenters here have noted, I found this interesting but a little frustrating. The second color it asks about is clearly cyan (or turquoise). For me, this is like showing an orange screen and asking if it is red or yellow. I understand that across cultures "orange" does not exist as a distinctly named color (it only got its name in most European languages around the 1500s), but as someone who was trained sin…

I was having a discussion closely related to this recently because of my background in philosophy of language. Languages are functional, but not rigid. The rules and referents of "blue" become kind of pointless around the edges, and narrow words like cyan or turquoise -- even words borrowed from other languages -- are more functional. This is exaggerated further when the functionality becomes very important, which is…

Philosophically speaking, does each of us experience "520 nm green" the same way?

Is my "520 nm green" actually your "635 nm red"? And vice versa?

Are all of our color embeddings different despite the same g-protein coupled biochemical activation?

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#239
post #180

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You are confusing geographical position with countries. Countries are not a continuum, they start and end at some specific line defined by constitutions, mutually agreed by neighbours (or disputed through war and diplomacy) Colours have no such incentive for strict unified definitions, so there is no point at which blue ends.

I'm not confusing anything. I am 1000% unconfused and entirely on the same wavelength as OP. You're inability to wrap your head around the analogy is tantamount to.. Not being able to comprehend blue-green.

It’s a terrible analogy though.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#240
post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was having a discussion closely related to this recently because of my background in philosophy of language. Languages are functional, but not rigid. The rules and referents of "blue" become kind of pointless around the edges, and narrow words like cyan or turquoise -- even words borrowed from other languages -- are more functional. This is exaggerated further when the functionality becomes very important, which is…

Philosophically speaking, does each of us experience "520 nm green" the same way? Is my "520 nm green" actually your "635 nm red"? And vice versa? Are all of our color embeddings different despite the same g-protein coupled biochemical activation?

Consciousness and qualia are a mystery.

I would assume we don’t, simply because nerves are reproduced biologically, but I’m not a neuroscientist.

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