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Ok. Since this is a very precedented and normal action, please link me to an article or press release from when Obama, Clinton, Bush 1, Bush 2, or Carter decided the fire the entire NSF oversight board.

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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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There are so many bots/trolls on HN now, it's crazy.

Are they initiating or continuing curious discussion? If so, then by all means they are following the most important HN guidelines so nothing can really be done.

Unfortunately there's a large grey zone (IMO) between what the rules forbid and curious discussion that's productive. Those that seek to game the system don't generally stand out as bad actors since that would hinder their goals.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Troll post.

Look, I choose to be honest and see the response I am getting. Being called a troll. Is it really surprising that I can relate?

No, not surprising. But some of your statements are hard to square with the current circumstances, so help us understand where you're coming from:

> When he says "I will end the war in three days", I think he genuinely believes it. So I think he is genuine.

This is what Putin said about his "Special military operation" that has stretched on for 4 years now. Hostomel turned into an irreversible, taxing conflict on the Russian people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport

If the United States' hubris costs it half as much as Russia's did, we'll never be respected on the global stage again. The best option was to honor and enforce Iran's JCPOA agreement with the IAEA, but that's not possible now that America and Israel climbed the escalation ladder. Any deal we strike under duress will be worse and cost taxpayers more than peacetime diplomacy.

I think we can see eye-to-eye with each other, but I'd have to hear how you think this type of strategy benefits America. From the macro-scale, this does nothing to bolster a conflict over the First island chain and weakens America's strategic credibility abroad. Iran and Israel are a sideshow compared to the eventual conflict with China, and the results we've seen from the Persian Gulf do not bode well for America's power projection.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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What are the equivalent institutions in China? Do they do open houses?

Why do you ask? Do you assume those fired NSF workers want to go work in China now? Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better and accepts people critical of the CCP ideology?

I would tend to assume that the people overseeing the NSF are accomplished scientists. China has been more than happy to recruit those for at least the past couple decades. That said, I doubt this move negatively impacts their careers so I don't expect this alone would motivate any of them to leave the country. Other things might though.

> Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better

Prior to Trump probably yes. Post Trump almost certainly.

> and accepts people critical of the CCP ideology?

Obviously not. But why are you assuming that those removed from their posts were vocal critics of the CCP?

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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> U.S. President Donald Trump yesterday fired all 24 members of the National Science Board (NSB), the body that oversees the National Science Foundation (NSF). Many science advocates see it as the latest step by his administration to erode—some would say destroy—the independence of the 76-year-old research agency. If the US president has always been able to fire them, then they were never truly independent.

TBD, the defining trait of this administration is illegal acts that get overturned later. The point of this isn’t to be right, it’s “you might beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride” abuse of process.

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This should feel personal to a lot of us. I have hopes of applying to the Small Business Innovation Research fund ( https://seedfund.nsf.gov ), a program that gives small companies a good chunk of money without taking equity, in order to encourage development of technologies deemed of national importance. I’d be curious if anyone here has tried applying in the last 18 months.

I was helping some people working on their phase I SBIR throughout the first year of Trump, and they often didn't know who to report to, as the firings were so relentless and pointless and completely disorganized. They got the highest possible rating upon completion, but have not been able to apply for Phase 2, so the project is effectively dead as they pursued other opportunities. It's hard to imaging a more wastefu…

Im not getting how trump can fire anyone? Does he have the authority to do that?

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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> U.S. President Donald Trump yesterday fired all 24 members of the National Science Board (NSB), the body that oversees the National Science Foundation (NSF). Many science advocates see it as the latest step by his administration to erode—some would say destroy—the independence of the 76-year-old research agency. If the US president has always been able to fire them, then they were never truly independent.

TBD, the defining trait of this administration is illegal acts that get overturned later. The point of this isn’t to be right, it’s “you might beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride” abuse of process.

Are you claiming the US president does not have the right to fire them?
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