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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Taking dystopia aside, without a lot more context I don't quite get how the captured data will be particularly useful to train models for say software engineering. If someone can shed light - thanks!

for software engineering? not because of the typing.

the signal is every time a human has to grab the wheel. that's a label for what the agent still misses.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.

As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features rolling out with this as a focus

Companies have shown us that IP going to AI providers is acceptable. Once you cross that line your thought workers are assets not people.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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That sounds like a truly dystopian take to me, but suppose you're right and nobody should ever use their work computer for anything personal. Per TFA, this thing is literally taking screenshots of what is on the employee's screen. At work my screen sometimes had things such as: performance data on other employees, my own PII from HR systems, PII from customers, password managers, etc. It's also logging keystrokes. Ho…

Your screenshots go to your managers, not just anyone in the company. At Meta there are very strict safeguards for preventing employees e.g. stalking their exes, so I'd assume the same security is used for even PII filled images.

Bwahaha. The same protections the NSA has?

The ones on the ‘inside’ are doing to 500% of the time I’m sure

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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I can’t imagine being mad that the data collection company that I work for now wants data on _me_

Really though it seems reasonable to me. They want data to train AI, and their employees are obviously a large source.

They could already track your every click. They have root on your work MacBook. Most employers do.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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This is a naive take on this. Do you think it stops with just metamates(lmao that’s what they call themselves) being surveilled? Nope. This is the exact type of thing that software IC’s should reject in solidarity. Being happy with BadCompanyX trampling employee expectations directly allows for GoodCompanyY to enact the same policies.

> This is the exact type of thing that software IC’s should reject in solidarity. Yes. Which includes quitting, en masse, from any company that does this. Meta ought to find it impossible to employ anyone with a policy like this.

Maybe in 2010 or 2015, but in 2026? Nobody is quitting their high paying job when the job market is this rough. A bubble has burst and there just are not the tech jobs out there that there used to be.

And employers know this, so they are enacting all kinds of draconian policies because they know employees know that they can't just leave the job and also keep their families fed.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

Just speculating, but the intention wasn't reducing key personnel risk. It was so that your employer could fire them and replace them with an agent running off of their associated skills.md.

Also, the agent doesn’t really work - but that doesn’t matter.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#239
post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

I already assume that on a work computer everything I'm doing could be monitored by work IT. At every job I've had, I've made a point of not using work hardware for anything I even remotely thought someone at the job might object to. Instead I use my own hardware for that kind of thing - I own a smartphone, I own multiple computers, this is not hard to do.

When I worked at a startup that had some internal conflict between the software engineers and management, someone made a Signal group to chat about the issues among the software engineers privately and everyone joined that group with their own Signal accounts, without any kind of issue.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the exact type of thing that software IC’s should reject in solidarity. Yes. Which includes quitting, en masse, from any company that does this. Meta ought to find it impossible to employ anyone with a policy like this.

Maybe in 2010 or 2015, but in 2026? Nobody is quitting their high paying job when the job market is this rough . A bubble has burst and there just are not the tech jobs out there that there used to be. And employers know this, so they are enacting all kinds of draconian policies because they know employees know that they can't just leave the job and also keep their families fed.

job market is 2019 levels this rhetoric is nice, but doesn't stack up. yes it's not 2021 levels which is where they over hired and hired a bunch of people they would not have hired before then.
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