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Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by ttul »

throwaw12 wrote: post #186
ttul wrote: post #184

Am I being paranoid in questioning whether the CPC would have something to gain by monitoring coding sessions with Chinese coding AI models? Coding models receive snippets of our intellectual property all day long. It's a bit of a gold mine, no?

I think you should worry more about NSA, FBI, ICE and other 3 letter US agencies monitoring your sessions

There's nothing anyone can do about state-level espionage anywhere, using any cloud-hosted service. That being said, there is a very big difference between the legal situation in the United States vs. China. Chinese internet companies are required to have CPC interaction and since the rule of law does not strictly exist in China, the state can compel surveillance cooperation regardless of what might be written down. If a three-letter agency is compelling Anthropic to open up its queries for inspection, that kind of surveillance would be authorized by law and if Anthropic violated the law in cooperating, they would suffer the consequences in civil court. Maybe not immediately, but at least the possibility exists.

In China, there's no recourse at all. Surveillance must be presumed.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by pheggs »

otterley wrote: post #206
pheggs wrote: post #187

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> The one-child policy died a long time ago. true, but as far as I understand it did because birth rates got too low. so they replaced it with a two-child policy and later with a three-child policy > Also, the accumulation of wealth by connected politicians and businesspeople flies in the face of what communism is supposed to stand for. Yeah, I am sure there's a lot of cases for that. But as far as I know the amount…

> I don't see how that means that they as a country moved away from the goal, it just means there's issues They're further from Communism than they've ever been since the PRC was founded. The gap between rich and poor is growing there, not shrinking. > A google search for real estate prices in china reveal a lot of news articles how they are going down though. They're investing outside China (Vancouver, Toronto, NYC,…

> They're further from Communism than they've ever been since the PRC was founded. The gap between rich and poor is growing there, not shrinking.

I suppose it depends on what time frame you look at, it's shrinking since 2010, but inequality rose more than that in the 80s: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/China/gini_inequality_index...

However, that's not my point - I did not mean to say that they are going to be successful but rather that it still appears to be a long term goal for them.

> Like Bitcoin, freedom of capital flows may be restricted, but the wealthy seem to be evading these restrictions with impunity.

I don't know about that, without any source of data I guess I just have to take your word for it. I would not be surprised if you were right in this case though.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by bwv848 »

otterley wrote: post #159
pheggs wrote: post #102

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what makes you think that china ever gave up its communist goals? I personally see that everything they do aims towards that goal. From the one child policy, the huge amounts of empty apartments they build, the stuff they produce for almost free, the fishing.. open sourcing the models perfectly fits that culture too, it's the means of production

The one-child policy died a long time ago. Also, the accumulation of wealth by connected politicians and businesspeople flies in the face of what communism is supposed to stand for. There is a reason real estate values in popular cities has skyrocketed, and it’s not due to the locals getting wealthier. It’s where Chinese and other oligarchs put their ill-gotten wealth (well, besides Bitcoin).

One-child policy did not die, it just morphed into Three-child policy, still a form of family planning, and still would probably fine people for having more than three kids.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by culi »

BoorishBears wrote: post #175
otterley wrote: post #157

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Can you provide a concrete example of a US built model that completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view? Show us the receipt.

https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt (continues after the ad break)

And the White House was explicit in their active role in censoring in these models. An Executive Order was issued to "prevent woke AI"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/prev...

It explicitly forces American LLMs to include government say in what does and doesn't "comply with the Unbiased AI Principles" which means no responses that promote "ideological dogmas such as DEI"

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by plutokras »

fg137 wrote: post #162
wolttam wrote: post #145

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Kimi has their own subscription that works basically the same as all the others. https://www.kimi.com/code

At $19/month, hard to see why I want to use Kimi over Claude.

They tick all the boxes I care about – desktop & mobile app, cli – but for the same price I might as well just go for the leading providers.

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by motoboi »

sergiotapia wrote: post #77
motoboi wrote: post #7

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With the previous generation? Yes. With 10T mythos-level models? Not even close.

mythos is vaporware right now, what are you talking about?

Well, the model that a lot of people have been given access to and are reporting about on twitter?

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by culi »

dryarzeg wrote: post #82
sigmoid10 wrote: post #67

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Is it? In your link it definitely failed to draw the clock.

I'm not really sure how this works, but I stayed on the page for a while, and then it reloaded and all clocks changed. I guess there's either a collection of different clocks generated by models, or maybe they're somehow generated in the real time, but the fact is what you see is not necessarily what I see.

It reruns a prompt every minute to all the models included. Everyone is gonna see something different but I've spent too long on it and there's a consistent pattern of Qwen and Kimi outperforming the others

This site was made months ago and it seems its only been updated with the latest model of a couple of the providers so keep in mind that many of the Chinese models haven't been updated

Re: Kimi K2.6: Advancing open-source coding

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Post by Saline9515 »

pheggs wrote: post #102
konart wrote: post #61

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But China is not communist event though the rulling party the word in its name.

what makes you think that china ever gave up its communist goals? I personally see that everything they do aims towards that goal. From the one child policy, the huge amounts of empty apartments they build, the stuff they produce for almost free, the fishing.. open sourcing the models perfectly fits that culture too, it's the means of production

China is a ruthless capitalist country managed by an authoritarian regime. Planning and lack of respect for the individual or the rule of law are not communist per se.
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