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US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Much of the USA accepts "gun deaths" as an unfortunate but acceptable price that must be paid for the widespread freedom to own guns. When those same people are hysterical about Protecting The Children, you should understand that "protecting the children" is a distraction from whatever the actual intent may be. The general public is thoughtless, and there's little reason to think the decision-makers are much more tho…

Yes, it's a recurring pattern also seen in European politics.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#232

Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. What if instead of having the largest prison population in the world our government supported communities that make raising good children possible? Our society needs to lose this urge to diagnose e…

> Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except [...]

They are covering for and not prosecuting perpetrators in the biggest child trafficking and abuse scandal in recent memory -- the Epstein case. Let us do away with even a surface-level pretense that they care about kids at all.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#234

Listen, I would actually be willing to support something like this, but Jesus Christ when will we put somebody in congress with a CS background who can literally just chime in and say "use Zero Knowledge Proofs for this, people might actually buy that you're not just building a surveillance state."

> when will we put somebody in congress with a CS background who can literally just chime in and say "use Zero Knowledge Proofs for this, people might actually buy that you're not just building a surveillance state."

Well that would be counter-productive to actually building a surveillance state.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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If this legislation becomes law, it will be interesting to see how the Linux hacker community reacts. Laws are virtually meaningless if there is no practical way to enforce them and if there are enough people who oppose them. Just take a look at the history of file sharing over the past three decades. For this new law to prevent the proliferation of Linux distros that are not in compliance with age verification requirements, there would need to be very powerful enforcement mechanisms, including criminal prosecution. Even then, it's difficult to see how severe criminal penalties and/or civil liabilities could stop hackers from building and distributing illicit versions of Linux. It's just basic economics: demand creates supply. Linux moves into the black market with new distros of Clandestine-OS.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#236

the US will kill every third space by any means necessary their dwindling to irrelevance, like the UK, could not happen faster

Have you thought about what replaces the US once they're irrelevant? Because it's probably something much worse.

Agreed. But at the rate we're going, the US and "worse" will likely have converged ...

"TOO LOW, PULL UP. TOO LOW, PULL UP"

Take your country back before it's too late.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Do we know who is funding this? is this one of these things where Meta doesn't want the responsibility for this, so they are pushing to have the OS have the responsibility or something like that?

It must be OS responsibility because that’s the only place that allows the next step. Everyone is so concerned with kids pretending to be adults, what about adults pretending to be kids? Any service that has any kind of private chat or picture sharing option will be a playground for “verified” kids. Next step, “we must go further with the verifications until everyone is verified everywhere”. This is where the OS part…

This is actually a very good point.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#239

Based on the few snippets quoted in the article, I think as written this bill gets closer to a good, privacy-preserving, non-authoritarian version of "age verification" than any of the attempts so far. What it seems to be aiming for is essentially mandatory parental controls at the OS level. No ID checking or government/third party involvement, it just uses whatever age the parents enter when they set up the device/u…

This is not the bill you're hoping for:

1. The text implies software should get access to your date of birth, rather than talking about age groups. If it becomes the case that websites can get your precise date of birth, this will be the ultimate fingerprinting vector that will put the fight for online privacy dead in the water.

2. The text talks about "verifying" dates of birth. This can only imply the involvement of face scanning or ID checking and third parties.

3. The text itself is very vague about details such as verifying, because it leaves many details entirely to the FTC, which recently announced they will stop enforcing privacy protections under COPPA for companies violating it to perform age verification of children[0]. So you can fully expect that if we are putting computing entirely in the hands of the current commission we will be probably screwed.

The text itself is less than 4 pages. I recommend reading it for yourself[1].

[0] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2026/02/...

[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250...

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

#240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Because in their eyes your children are not your children. You are simply a custodian of their future work force asset. If you educate your children too much into individualism, they (today’s politicians) may see a diminished return of whatever they want to a…

Translation: government is the problem not the solution.

Hard disagree. Corporations running the government instead of a nation's people is the problem.
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