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We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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Marketing stunt. If they actually cared about this as an experiment, they wouldn't have broadcasted this so early, because now that the public knows that the store is designed and run by AI, many people aren't going to support it (i.e. many people who would have shopped there now won't).

Also don't do it in San Francisco, I think it's an artificial easier market. The type of store wouldn't work in Bumsville Idaho. Maybe that's for later, if this works out, but I'd love to see the AI attempt to run a moderately successful business in a borderline dysfunctional town in the Midwest. If you don't technically need to pay "the CEO" a salary, could you run e.g. a grocery store in a dying town. One this woul…

San Francisco is one of the most brutally hard places to run a business, as evidenced by how competitive the landscape is.

What would have been actually interesting about this publicity stunt is if it demonstrated if/how AI could have dealt with some of the SF specific, non-sexy parts of running a business. Filing the relevant permits, co-ordinating inspections, negotiating with landlords, interfacing with locals at planning meetings.

Those are things SF business owners report as empirically unpleasant parts of running a business and a sufficient financial drag that they meaningfully affect business success. But my feeling is they had humans clear the way of all these thorny issues ahead of time so the AI could focus on the "sexy stuff".

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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Um, yes? Very much so. Infant swimming self-rescue courses are life-saving if you live in an area with a lot of swimming pools, especially if you have one of your own. E.g., https://www.infantswim.com/

At best, ISR covers the short term. I see these kids come on deck and enter the water and its hard to not notice their development is behind to those of their peers that went to a swim club that was proper learn to swim to thrive in the water as opposed to just that survive mentality. They are the most watched in case something happens. So yea, don't just throw em in.

> development is behind to those of their peers that went to a swim club

2 year olds are behind already?

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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“We also won’t be first against the wall when the revolution comes (see this very blog for proof of innocence)” This is going through some people’s minds the more pushback grows (see Altman molotov, Maine data center moratorium)

For decades we moved to a knowledge based economy, now we have perversely wealthy people saying they're coming for those jobs. The thought of 10s of millions of people with nothing to do but starve to death ought to scare those wealthy people.

Especially since many of them are some of the brightest minds around.

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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>I think it’s easier just to recognize words as free and to value them as such. well, yeah that is the world the AI guys want...

The opposite, actually. They hardly want to give away tokens for free!

They want the grand total of humanity's knowledge, from which they create tokens, to be given to them for free, though..

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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The AI is not really the CEO in the first place. It is not signing contracts (at least not with its own name). It is fundamentally still an automated tool reporting to the real human operators, who are doing more of the actual corporate legal tasks than portrayed in the article.

People can delegate

sure. but in this case, having the ai delegate to humans for any important task sort of undermines the entire premise.

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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>I think it’s easier just to recognize words as free and to value them as such. well, yeah that is the world the AI guys want...

The opposite, actually. They hardly want to give away tokens for free!

For the tech bros, the tokens are the actions and the prompts are the words.

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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> But frontier models have become really good, and running vending machines is too easy for them now. Wasn't their previous attempt at running vending machines unprofitable? Not aware of any demonstration that it can actually run that business successfully.

You could just look it up on their website leaderboard? The newest Claude model makes over $10k profit over a simulated year of operation, after starting with $500

Since when is a simulation equal to real world performance?

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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Where do you get the idea that you have a good sense of the introspective capabilities of frontier models ? Certainly not from interpretability research. Ironically, the people who make these sort of comments understand LLMs the least.

> Certainly not from interpretability research What research shows that you can ask ChatGPT to explain its reasoning and why it said what it said, and that's guaranteed to actually be the motivation? I've seen a bunch of experimentation looking at various things inside the black box while the inference is happening, but never seen any research pointing to tokens being able to explain why other tokens are there, but I…

>What research shows that you can ask ChatGPT to explain its reasoning and why it said what it said, and that's guaranteed to actually be the motivation?

What research shows that you can ask a Human to explain its reasoning and why it said what it said, and that's guaranteed to actually be the motivation? Because there's no such thing. If anything, what research exists suggests any explanation we're making is a nice post-hoc rationalization after the fact even if the Human thinks otherwise.

https://transformer-circuits.pub/2025/introspection/index.ht...

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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For decades we moved to a knowledge based economy, now we have perversely wealthy people saying they're coming for those jobs. The thought of 10s of millions of people with nothing to do but starve to death ought to scare those wealthy people.

Especially since many of them are some of the brightest minds around.

If (1) many bright and very online people are going to lose their jobs, and (2) the response has not been mass unionization, might I rethink [1] a more likely future of work or rethink [2] the psychology of the average/collective knowledge workforce, or...

"where union" in short.

Perhaps the concept is too foreign for white collars, or on average folks think they'll be OK and it's the juniors who'll go... maybe too focused on immediate needs... a belief unionization is the wrong response... (and I'm not advocating for anything in particular btw)

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