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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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The Constitution uses the following in regard to protest in the first amendment Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It uses this same "right of the people" in the second amendment ... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. In both cases, the right is restricted to "the pe…

If you have to work your way round to "they are not people" for the law to be consistent, consider that it might be a bad law.

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

Apple and Microsoft are also subject to US laws. It's not like any company can get around this.

Administrative warrants do not carry the weight of law. It's merely a term of art for a request for information.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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It totally is. Democrats got led into Israel's wars too. Interestingly the support was different, like Trump got money from the Adelsons and Biden from pro-Israel lobbies.

> Democrats got led into Israel's wars too. Which ones?

Have people already forgot about Gaza?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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> BTW, the J6 protesters were all tracked and identified by their cell phone data. Many of the insurrectionists were also caught on camera in congress after they broke down the doors and stormed the building. Some even took selfies in the offices of various senators and house reps.

And now they're being let off and called "heroes" by the United States Government.

It's all part of this administration's strategy to set the stage for next time. By pardoning violent criminals, they make it clear that they endorse political violence. Now, when he incites a mob to interrupt the elections next time he loses - in 2026 or 2028 - everyone in the next mob will know that their actions will be pardoned.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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If they were motivated enough by this story to delete 20 years worth of history maybe they were motivated enough to create an account and talk about it?

I don't care. The UX means I can't give it any credibility. For all I know this could be somebody's OpenClaw spouting bullshit. The default credibility of all throwaways is zero and that was even true before 2023. If you let it influence your opinion in any way you're a fool.

From busterarm's profile: "Most people are stupid and/or on drugs."

The account is from 2013 but given that profile, I can't give it any credibility. After all, it could be somebody's OpenClaw having been granted control of the account.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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> Democrats got led into Israel's wars too. Which ones?

Have people already forgot about Gaza?

The US was involved in Gaza? The United States was actively spending billions dropping munitions there? When? Under which administration was the US directly involved in bombing Gaza?

Can you further clarify how the US was involved in the war in Gaza, and how that was the Democrats getting involved? And do you really feel that involvement was anywhere near what is happening or comparable with Iran at the moment?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Privacy, technology and actual freedom overlap massively. Stories like this making it to HN are important since many of the people working at Google that had interactions with this, either by creating the tech or being aware of internal policy changes, read HN. Additionally many founders and decision makers in companies read these stories because it hit HN. Knowing that Google will do this changes your legal calculat…

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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That's what they said about Obama, but he got Iran to give up their stockpile of enriched Uranium, give up enrichment beyond 4%, and submit to a severe inspection program. All for unfreezing less money than Trump has spent so far on the Iran War, let alone the $200B that he wants, let alone the economic damage from the Hormuz shutdown, let alone the $5T that happened last time a Republican asked to spend $200B on a q…

I wish people would reply with rebuttals rather than downvoting you.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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I don't see how your opinion matches the article. Expecting a company to hold its own promise (of notifying the user before it happens) sounds like a pretty minimal expectation, hard for me to imagine it being "too much". Furthermore, how would data sovereignty affect whether Google holds its promise on notifying users?

My opinion doesn't match the article. I do think the user has a legitimate grievance; I am merely suggesting a different avenue for fixing it. > Expecting a company to hold its own promise (of notifying the user before it happens) sounds like a pretty minimal expectation, hard for me to imagine it being "too much". I am saying that this expectation is unrealistic for a British/Trinbagonian citizen, given the politica…

You're essentially saying "Don't trust Google at all and ask your local government to put pressure on Google" and I agree with that but you frame it in a needlessly apologist way. If a company makes a promise and breaks it, that should always be a reason for concern, and the article is right for pointing that out.
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