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AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Re: AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Post by nitwit005 »

sobiolite wrote: post #56

Human communication and reasoning is the end result of billions of years of evolution. I'd be very surprised if LLMs can fundamentally alter it in a few years. When considering phenomenon like these, I think people seriously underestimate what I'd call the "fashion effect". When a new technology, medium or aesthetic appears, it can have a surprisingly rapid influence on behaviour and discourse. The human social brain…

Technologies often have rapid, and obvious, effects on writing. The telegraph services charged by the word, so an abbreviated style that became known as "telegraphese", developed.

And it doesn't have to be that direct. Novels have been hugely influenced by films.

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Post by azan_ »

mountainb wrote: post #174
azan_ wrote: post #162

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> Mass food production supposedly nourished more people: veggies today have 20% the minerals content they had 70y ago..the list go on and on. I suggest you should have a look at malnutrition rates 100 years ago vs now. Without mass food production we would not be able to sustain even 50% of current population.

Why would that be bad? Why is more better?

Do YOU want to die of starvation? Or are you ok with just others dying?

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Post by davebren »

fsflover wrote: post #204
davebren wrote: post #90

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> Tips, tricks, life hacks and other expert techniques will once again be jealously guarded from the prying eyes of the LLM who would steal their competitive advantage & replicate it at scale I've already started thinking this way, there's stuff I would have open sourced in the past but no longer will because I know it would get trained on. I'm not sure of any way I can share it with humans and only humans. If I let…

> there's stuff I would have open sourced in the past but no longer will because I know it would get trained on Could you publish under AGPLv3, so any AI users with recognizable patterns from your code can get in trouble?

I always did apache, I think AGPL would make it less useful for the honest people and the AI companies would find a way around it. Companies in foreign countries would still get it and then the companies here could get it from them, or something like that. They're probably already trying to figure out a way to obfuscate when the LLM directly copies from a licensed codebase. And there's that site that rewrites GPL repos so they can be used commercially. On top of all that I don't know if it would be possible to sue companies that have been given de facto legal immunity to steal IP.

Re: AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Post by davebren »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #83
r_lee wrote: post #45

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I remember him tweeting about how he can "feel the AGI" when speaking to GPT

Yeah, it's hard to say if he's doing marketing because that's his job or if he's really swallowed the whole pill

People that are good liars are good at it because they are lying to themselves at the same time. Even if they can initially compartmentalize I believe after a while it gets them too.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

djeastm wrote: post #198
TeMPOraL wrote: post #186

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Would you ask that your starving great-n-grandparents worried about whether they're able to feed the infant that would later become your ancestor?

Isn't that a food distribution problem not a food production one?

It is now, because of mass production, industrialization of agriculture, and Haber Bosch process.

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Post by fsflover »

davebren wrote: post #233
fsflover wrote: post #204

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> there's stuff I would have open sourced in the past but no longer will because I know it would get trained on Could you publish under AGPLv3, so any AI users with recognizable patterns from your code can get in trouble?

I always did apache, I think AGPL would make it less useful for the honest people and the AI companies would find a way around it. Companies in foreign countries would still get it and then the companies here could get it from them, or something like that. They're probably already trying to figure out a way to obfuscate when the LLM directly copies from a licensed codebase. And there's that site that rewrites GPL rep…

> I think AGPL would make it less useful for the honest people

I don't understand what you mean here. AGPLv3 guarantees the four essential freedoms to all users. It only restricts developers from removing users' rights, like the GPL family.

> On top of all that I don't know if it would be possible to sue companies that have been given de facto legal immunity to steal IP.

For that we should support NGOs fighting for users' rights like https://eff.org.

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Post by itmitica »

Calligraphy did not get stolen from individuals and put into typewriters, it got replaced by letters with a purpose. Did that make us more alike? No, it got us more connected. Is connectivity making us more alike? If it does, is it a bad thing? Then science is a bad byproduct of this connectivity. Or any rules: driving rules, laws, airports, hotels. What is this bullshit, targeting AI for a natural human convergence instinct? I suspect riding the anti-AI wagon is profitable and draws likes and follows but narrowing vision is not the way.

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Post by [deleted] »

shimman wrote: post #135
TeMPOraL wrote: post #95

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It's worth questioning the underlying assumptions. It's humans - all humans - that benefit from LLMs. I see a lot of people having this attitude, but I can't help but see it as really being about seeking credit instead of generosity, and/or Dog in the Manger mindset.

Humans aren't benefiting from LLMs, only a few individuals are. Let's stop with the fake platitudes and realize that unless this technology isn't completely open sourced from top to bottom, it's a complete farce to think humans are going to benefit and not just the rich getting richer.

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