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In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by spike021 »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #127
akudha wrote: post #97

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I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. From: https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 As a species, we need to evaluate our attitudes to work. The quote above resonates at some level, but maybe there are some people who enjoy doing dishes and laundry, who knows. Most people are just surviving. It is…

The funny thing is that dishes and laundry are already automated and people are still complaining about them. Do we need a humaniform robot to move the clothes from the washer to the dryer? Maybe we just need smarter appliances.

my dishwasher in my apartment simply doesn't work. i've tried everything, cleaning the filter, using special cleaning chemicals, vinegar, whatever. maybe if you can afford a nicer machine but if you're in an apartment and especially in one where they choose what dishwasher to use, then dish washing is not really automated at all. i rarely use mine because of how ineffective it is.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

pezezin wrote: post #191
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #171

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Huh, in Tokyo and Osaka I didn’t encounter a 7-11 without self checkout as an option. The smaller convenience stores sure, but not 7-11. China is much more aggressive in this regard though.

As an option yes, but not most of the cashiers.

They might have one person ready, but the amount of volume they do means that the kiosks aren’t really that optional, most people are using them or they would be waiting awhile for human help (and most people use them so the manned check is pretty clear most of the time for those that need it).

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Post by AngryData »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #210
AngryData wrote: post #130

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I don't know if I would call it high pay anywhere ive lived. It is okay pay around me right now in a less prosperous area of the country for not requiring tools or previous skills. But the main thing going for it around here is stability of hours, a decent amount of holidays off, and you don't have to destroy your body.

Starting 70, going to 100 as norm and 160 with overtime. That’s way higher than average wage.

That is literally double what people around here are paid. And they certainly don't give anyone overtime if they can help it. If you break $60K you gotta worry about them trying to replace you if you aren't one of their top performers.

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Post by charcircuit »

Kbelicius wrote: post #219
charcircuit wrote: post #106

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>All our needs are taken care of >while the rest of us die in poverty. These can't be simultaneously true. If all of our needs are taken care of, that is the same thing as unlimited luxury. Someone hoarding wealth is not that important when everyone has everything they want. Society is already being helped by all of the needs they are fulfilling. We don't need to also take their wealth too.

> These can't be simultaneously true. Nobody said that they can. >The techno utopia we imagine is a world where nobody has to work. All our needs are taken care of and we live a life of leisure. All our needs are taken care of in an imagined techno utopia. > But as long as there is ownership of the automated systems, those owners will hoard all the wealth generated by that automation. That utopia can not come if ther…

>That utopia can not come if there is private ownership of those automated systems.

Who controls an automated system and whether enough automated systems exists to fulfill everyone's needs are separate things. You could have one person providing for the entire needs of the world by scaling themselves using AI.

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Post by bigbadfeline »

canpan wrote: post #28

I went to a chain Family Restaurant recently here in Japan. The food is brought by a robot for a while now. Recently you get your seat selected at a touchscreen. You can pay at your table's tablet using PayPay. There is still some waiter staff, but it being reduced to the past. The only part that did not change much yet is the kitchen. I said to myself to stop going, if there is no human staff left. On the other hand…

> I said to myself to stop going, if there is no human staff left.

Who do you trust more - the robots or the human staff? And I'm asking about America, or maybe, in Japan as foreigner?

This is a complicated issue but it's in no way insignificant. A lot depends on the culture and current political environment - none of these is something that you or any common man can influence.

The bigger question is, if Japan can use plenty of robots to increase productivity while keeping the unemployment rate near the minimum achievable, what's there to argue about? There will be minor inconveniences but from an economic standpoint, there isn't more one could ask for.

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Post by DonsDiscountGas »

sph wrote: post #208

> filling the one [job] nobody wants. Time to share the meme again, sorry to my followers for reusing this joke: ‘I wanted a machine to do the dishes for me so I could concentrate on my art, and what I got was a machine to do the art so now I’m the one doing the dishes’ I’d be much happier with this AI revolution if I got a personal robot chef and house-keeper, while I could keep writing beautiful software. Now I’m l…

Mechanical dishwashers have existed for awhile. I guess they only do half the job and but we've had them for decades

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Post by epolanski »

makeitdouble wrote: post #142
epolanski wrote: post #7

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18% is one of the.lowest rates on the planet. 4th in fact. This includes early retirees, full time students, home makers and people unable to work for health related reasons.

Japan's employment rate is hard to compare, in that many of these job just wouldn't be seen as real jobs in any other country ("bullshit job"), and it's compound by half of the population being over 50. A high employment among the elderly could just be masking the harsher truth when that upper half passes away.

No because the stat is 15-64.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

shiroiuma wrote: post #183
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #180

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This thread feels like it went off the rails given that every locale I've ever lived in (many across the US) had fine, working garbage collection, and plenty of competent garbage men who worked for what I'm guessing was decent pay, certainly less than $10 million a year.

I think in reality, it shouldn't be hard to find people willing to take out garbage by simply paying a little better than other manual-labor jobs. There's always going to be people who can't work other jobs for some reason, so if they're choosing between manual labor jobs, the one that pays more is going to be more attractive. They don't need to pay enough to hire a doctor, because not that many people can do high-va…

And there will always be people who think that driving around in a heated/air-conditioned truck with a big claw that picks up and empties the cans is a fun job and will happily do it at any reasonable pay level.

Not everyone wants to work in an office; some people really like working outside and being indoors is like prison.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

shiroiuma wrote: post #204
Joker_vD wrote: post #181

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The Soviets would attempt to solve it by requiring the graduates to work off about 3 years in the place chosen by the joint commissions from Gosplan/Ministry of Labour/Ministry of Higher Education (those same commissions determined the number of students to enroll in the first place, so...). And this system (called "distribution", as in, "distributing the graduates to the workplaces") was widely unpopular for obvious…

In the US today, they try to entice people to those places by forgiving their student loans if they work there long enough.

I knew someone who got a master's in nursing and did this. She ended up really liking the population that she worked with and stayed there past the required number of years.

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Post by samus »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #235
canpan wrote: post #28

I went to a chain Family Restaurant recently here in Japan. The food is brought by a robot for a while now. Recently you get your seat selected at a touchscreen. You can pay at your table's tablet using PayPay. There is still some waiter staff, but it being reduced to the past. The only part that did not change much yet is the kitchen. I said to myself to stop going, if there is no human staff left. On the other hand…

> I said to myself to stop going, if there is no human staff left. Who do you trust more - the robots or the human staff? And I'm asking about America, or maybe, in Japan as foreigner? This is a complicated issue but it's in no way insignificant. A lot depends on the culture and current political environment - none of these is something that you or any common man can influence. The bigger question is, if Japan can us…

> Who do you trust more - the robots or the human staff? And I'm asking about America, or maybe, in Japan as foreigner?

What do you mean with "trust"? Write down the right order? Or not spit in your food?

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