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Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in any market they are in.

It depends how you define the market. In the 2001 microsoft case [0], the courts ruled Microsoft had a monopoly over the "Intel-based personal computer market". Apple has a monopoly over the "M-chip" personal computer market. They have a monopoly over the iOS market with the app store. They have a monopoly over the driver market on macOS. Like, Microsoft was found guilty of exploiting its monopoly for installing IE b…

> Apple has a monopoly over the "M-chip" personal computer market

lmao what ? the "M-chip" is literally their chip that they designed, built relationships with TSMC over and bankrolled into production to put in their products. literally hardware by apple for apple. this was a decade plus long thing in the making, this is the risk/gamble apple took and invested heavily into. that is apples innovation. any other manuf is free to go do this themselves for their own devices, they just didn't and for the most part still don't. that just like isn't a monopoly at all, i'm amused you even got to that point in the first place. seems to carry some broad misunderstandings of what the M-series chips are or carries an assumption that cpus are supposed to be shared to any interested parties just because that was intels business model. intel was historically slacking & their one-size-fits-most approach wasn't meeting the engineering requirements apple was after generation after generation, so apple took the cpu destiny into their own hands and made their own. if you feel like non-apple laptop chips aren't living up to that kind of perf/ppu.... well yeah you'd be right. but that's not really apples fault. that's not a monopoly thing, like at all. either laptop manufs need to go make their own chip (unlikely) or intel/qualcomm/etc need to catch up.

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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When you have a monopoly like YouTube, yes you can expect to have an access to the platform if it prevents competition. It's textbook antitrust laws.

You're going to need to cite legal precedent for that. I could not go sue HBO for monopolizing Game of Thrones and refusing to stream it in 8K to my Linux PC. There are no damages.

Google is above the law in the US, there's a reason why the CEO sits at the presidential inauguration. It's not about laws but power.

And your example is pretty poor, HBO doesn't have a 10th of the power of YouTube.

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Which is fine, right up until you: have a product with a monopoly market share AND use that product as a weapon against competitors in other markets That conduct is clearly illegal.

The entire idea of capitalism is to use your advantages over competitors. But exactly how does Apple have a monopoly in computers with less than 10-15% market share?

The entire point of antitrust law is to place limits on what capitalists are allowed to do.

Apple doesn't have what American law sees as a monopoly market share in any market.

Be aware that other jurisdictions, like the EU, start placing restrictions on the behavior of companies with lower market share than American antitrust law requires.

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The entire idea of capitalism is to use your advantages over competitors. But exactly how does Apple have a monopoly in computers with less than 10-15% market share?

The entire point of antitrust law is to place limits on what capitalists are allowed to do. Apple doesn't have what American law sees as a monopoly market share in any market. Be aware that other jurisdictions, like the EU, start placing restrictions on the behavior of companies with lower market share than American antitrust law requires.

Instead of passing laws, maybe the EU could foster an economic environment where Europeans wouldn’t have to depend on American tech companies and actually has tech products that people wanted to buy…

Re: Apple approves driver that lets Nvidia eGPUs work with Arm Macs

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When you have a monopoly like YouTube, yes you can expect to have an access to the platform if it prevents competition. It's textbook antitrust laws.

You're going to need to cite legal precedent for that. I could not go sue HBO for monopolizing Game of Thrones and refusing to stream it in 8K to my Linux PC. There are no damages.

You're going to need to cite this imaginary "server" exemption to American antitrust law that you claim to believe exists.

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You're going to need to cite legal precedent for that. I could not go sue HBO for monopolizing Game of Thrones and refusing to stream it in 8K to my Linux PC. There are no damages.

Google is above the law in the US, there's a reason why the CEO sits at the presidential inauguration. It's not about laws but power. And your example is pretty poor, HBO doesn't have a 10th of the power of YouTube.

It's worth remembering that the career officials in the Obama FTC wanted to launch an antitrust lawsuit against Google back in the day.

The political appointees (of both parties) shut that lawsuit down.

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Chicken/egg. NVidia tooling is lacking surely in part because the hardware wasn’t usable on macOS until now. Now that it’s usable that might change.

Until there is official support for Mac coming from nvidia, I don't think anything will happen. > the hardware wasn't usable on macOS This eGPU thing is from a third-party if I understand correctly. I don't see why nvidia would get excited about that. If they cared about the platform, they would have released something already.

The eGPU "thing" should work on anything that supports thunderbolt as it has native support for pcie.
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