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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by dwb »

tovej wrote: post #230
dwb wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, people think it’s demeaning because they are using a different definition to you, the definition which was the original one. Don’t know how I can put it clearer.

You say no, but then you agree that they think it's demeaning. Are you saying no just to say no, because you dislike how I'm framing this? I don't think you've shown that the narrow definition is the original one. That's just a claim with no evidence or argument for it. If you think the tweet is that evidence, I disagree. The tweet itself could be used to support both definitions. Personally I think it's more inline…

I think the tweet is crystal clear evidence that “vibe coding” was meant to mean “LLM code generation without reviewing the generated code”. Plenty of other parent commenters in this thread clearly think the same. Think what you like, but your interpretation is very strange, and the pushback and downvotes you’re getting is because of that.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by remohexa »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #149
pscanf wrote: post #40

I gave up on r/programming after an article I wrote (thoughtfully, without AI, even though the content might not have been super interesting) got mod-slapped with a stickied comment "This content is low quality, stolen, blogspam, or clearly AI generated". Ironically, that comment was added three months after I posted the article, when it was nowhere near the front page anymore, in a clearly automated and AI-driven re…

Reddit is a low-quality platform, the sorts of people who would be interested in moderating a popular subreddit like r/programming are even less fit to be moderators than the average moderator is. It would be better if people completely stopped using the platform.

I mean, I don't really like the platform either. But what kind of alternatives that have the same number of traction do we have?

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by tovej »

dwb wrote: post #231
tovej wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say no, but then you agree that they think it's demeaning. Are you saying no just to say no, because you dislike how I'm framing this? I don't think you've shown that the narrow definition is the original one. That's just a claim with no evidence or argument for it. If you think the tweet is that evidence, I disagree. The tweet itself could be used to support both definitions. Personally I think it's more inline…

I think the tweet is crystal clear evidence that “vibe coding” was meant to mean “LLM code generation without reviewing the generated code”. Plenty of other parent commenters in this thread clearly think the same. Think what you like, but your interpretation is very strange, and the pushback and downvotes you’re getting is because of that.

This is still not an argument.

You are still just stating opinions without any arguments. If you think the tweet is crystal clear evidence of your point, please show why. If you think my interpretation is strange (even though I've already shown you two normative sources that agree with me), please show why.

Look, there's already a term for unreviewed nonsensical genAI output: slop. The original tweet does not comment on the quality of the cod; slop otoh is specifically about the quality of the output. Call it slop if you want to specify that it's unreviewed.

Downvotes are not proof of anything. I'm getting roughly 0.5 downvotes per post, that's to be expected when multiple people are disagreeing with me about something they care about. And HN has been flooded by LLM enthusiasts for the past couple of years. This is not surprising.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by dwb »

tovej wrote: post #233
dwb wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the tweet is crystal clear evidence that “vibe coding” was meant to mean “LLM code generation without reviewing the generated code”. Plenty of other parent commenters in this thread clearly think the same. Think what you like, but your interpretation is very strange, and the pushback and downvotes you’re getting is because of that.

This is still not an argument. You are still just stating opinions without any arguments. If you think the tweet is crystal clear evidence of your point, please show why. If you think my interpretation is strange (even though I've already shown you two normative sources that agree with me), please show why. Look, there's already a term for unreviewed nonsensical genAI output: slop. The original tweet does not comment…

Correct, I'm not making an argument on the quality of the evidence, I'm expressing a different opinion and explaining the disconnect. I'm not interested in convincing you as I don't think that will happen, but I did think that you were missing a distinction and could understand the difference even if you thought differently. Apparently not.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by johnb95 »

archagon wrote: post #146
JKCalhoun wrote: post #144

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Sure, but if r/programming can't include the combination/hybrid then the whole subreddit is likely doomed to obsolescence. That genie's not going back into the lamp. (Heck, I've leaned on LLMs to generate damned SwiftUI code for me.)

I mean, no, why would it be? There is so, so much to talk about in programming other than AI. Meanwhile, the current HN front page feels like 90% LLM spam: the complete antithesis of what I used to come here for. I personally can’t wait for no-ai communities to proliferate.

...and there will be towns that do not allow self-driving vehicles?
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