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EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Its kind of annoying that CF would use an LLM to build something and try to pass it off as something built from "the ground up". Its just copying the library that was already build and passing it off as their own.

But isn't this a well-curated April Fools?

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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They can - it’s just more complex. You just put the comments into something like firebase/supabase etc or use one of many off the shelf solutions. Free tier is fine.

Is it still a static site then? You could just do it with CGI scripts, without the external dependencies, but that isn't really static either.

Depends what you would call that architecture then I guess!

I run my local theatre website by writing the posts in markdown, and then have some github actions which use Hugo to turn it in to a static site and then uploads the content to an S3 bucket. The site itself has dynamic content like within-website ticket buying from eventbrite and a contact form that sends email using an external service. It also calls in things like google analytics.

Does this still count as static? Personally I think so, Even though there are 'dynamic' elements.

IMO static refers more about how the content is served rather than saying that the content can’t be ‘dynamic’ as lots of Wordpress sites have static/non interactive content but still regenerate the html on each page load.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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> Yes definitely compare it multiple times to WordPress and nobody will think of calling their lawyers. It's not illegal to make product comparisons. That's just competition.

Tell that to the guy who got upset with WP Engine. EmDash is clearly "inspired" by WordPress including in its UI, so there's definitely something to it.

I'd really love to see Matt go after CloudFlare over the trademark. WPE might grind him into the dust, but CF will obliterate every constituent atom.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

I think one of the reasons people think this is slop is because of the name. How does the name EmDash relate to being a wordpress spiritual successor? It's clear the name was chosen as it relates to the use of em dashes in AI generated text, so why would you want to be associated with that? Why not choose a name like Astro Press given your experience on Astro?

Not sure why you’re being downvoted. The name is so bad. WordPress is a great name for normies. Something like Cloudflare Press would make more sense. EmDash is at best a temporary meme.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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> Yes definitely compare it multiple times to WordPress and nobody will think of calling their lawyers. It's not illegal to make product comparisons. That's just competition.

Tell that to the guy who got upset with WP Engine. EmDash is clearly "inspired" by WordPress including in its UI, so there's definitely something to it.

>> It's not illegal to make product comparisons. That's just competition.

> Tell that to the guy who got upset with WP Engine.

Why? That situation had nothing to do with comparisons.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Tell that to the guy who got upset with WP Engine. EmDash is clearly "inspired" by WordPress including in its UI, so there's definitely something to it.

The problem with WP Engine was that the name is confusing to users who aren't familiar with it. Presumably the WordPress Engine is the core of Wordpress? Or it's the thing powering Wordpress? It's easy to see ways in which an end user could be confused which was which. Conversely, this product is called something else, and while their blog post references Wordpress repeatedly it's in a way as to make it very clear th…

Matt seemed pretty fine with the name for at least 14 years, including investing in them at one point.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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post #153

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I think one of the reasons people think this is slop is because of the name. How does the name EmDash relate to being a wordpress spiritual successor? It's clear the name was chosen as it relates to the use of em dashes in AI generated text, so why would you want to be associated with that? Why not choose a name like Astro Press given your experience on Astro?

> It's clear the name was chosen as it relates to the use of em dashes in AI generated text this is not clear to me, and is not discussed in the article you can like or dislike the name. but criticizing the quality of work based on your affinity for the name is foolishness

It doesn’t need to be said in the article, it’s obvious. EmDash is a term associated with slop.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

I'm the main engineer on this. I've also been on the Astro core team for two years, so I do think I understand real open source software and community. As the post implies, I did use a lot of agent time on this, but this isn't a vibe-coded weekend project. I've been working full time on this since mid-January.

Great job! I’ll move to this if it has:

- good caching - GUI in spanish - a cli like wp-cli

good cache control is essential for news sites with 100k + posts

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Convince me this isn’t vibeslop. If Cloudflare really have radically changed their software development philosophy lately, this would actually be an interesting project, being based on Astro and coming with some APIs for programmatic management. Them being so happy about the „cost of software development“ and not going very deep into ecosystem, community or project management doesn’t convince me that this is going to…

This is such a valid concern. At this point I wouldn’t adopt new features unless they’ve been actively maintained and stable for 6 months. Too risky.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Tell that to the guy who got upset with WP Engine. EmDash is clearly "inspired" by WordPress including in its UI, so there's definitely something to it.

Matt got upset because they forked his open source project and built a hundred million dollar revenue business on top of it without contributing anything back to WordPress. He'd have more of a leg to stand on if WordPress wasn't itself a fork of an open source project. Matt should have built something open core or fair source licensed - free for customers, but stops competitors from stealing your lunch. He has no leg…

WPE never forked a thing. They were a successful company after he backed out of an investment with them, he resented the success, blackmailed them for 8% of their top-line revenue, then threw a tantrum when they told him to pound sand.
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