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Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by opan »

margalabargala wrote: post #82
AlBugdy wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree you might not need it, but the issue is one of principle. I want it because I might need it. I don't want to find another OS that supports root if I realize I need it. Just how I may be OK with staying at home for months with deliveries and internet access and everything else provided for me, but I want the freedom to go outside. There is rarely anything I need that's outside, to be honest. And outside is mor…

I think you are answering not quite what's being asked. I think it's completely reasonable to want to be able to get root on your device. For the exact reasons you mentioned. GrapheneOS allows that. To actually do so, it's reasonable to have a reason. Otherwise what you're doing is basically running commands with sudo "because you can", which will bite you. To have a rooted phone just for the sake of the trophy of ha…

>To have a rooted phone just for the sake of the trophy of having a rooted phone is something generally considered worse. Better to have a rootable phone, which you root if or when you have need of it.

This is indeed pretty reasonable. Very easy to root at any time after flashing LineageOS, for example.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by sgbeal »

nocman wrote: post #187
sgbeal wrote: post #19

When typos are inadvertently funny: > Google’s been working hard to relive everyone’s fears...

I came here to say something similar. I somehow doubt there's a team at Google dedicated to roleplaying the nightmares of all living people :-D When I saw your user name, I was like "I wonder if that's the C++ s11n guy", and sure enough, confirmed it by viewing your profile. Glad to see you're still alive and kickin' -- hope you are doing well, despite life's challenges.

>"I wonder if that's the C++ s11n guy"

That's a name i've not heard in ages. That project was abandoned back in 2012 or so for lack of interest on all sides. The domain and site were sold back in 2014-ish to someone who blatantly misrepresented themselves as wanting to keep that piece of internet history online, but turned out to be a SEO operation which only wanted it because the domain had a decent reputation with Google. Lesson learned.

> Glad to see you're still alive and kickin' -- hope you are doing well, despite life's challenges.

Thank you and right back at you!

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by Zak »

Onavo wrote: post #98
rockskon wrote: post #16

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Why the hell should we "mother may I" with Google for running apps on our own phones if it isn't sourced from the Play Store? The "security" rationale is horseshit given just how much malware is readily download able on the Play Store. Google never cleans its own house before going after others.

It's not just the US, story through the grapevine is that Google is under a lot of pressure Asian governments over "online scams". (Allegedly the main actor behind this push is Singapore)

Singapore is not big enough to dictate terms to Google. If Singapore wanted this change and Google didn't, Singapore's most extreme option would be to ban the import of standard Android phones to a market of a few million people.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by sunaookami »

izacus wrote: post #160
sunaookami wrote: post #116

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Do you also believe mass surveillance is necessary to protect children?

That's some nasty debate tactic, unworthy of this website. Don't do that.

You seem to love buying bridges.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by ddtaylor »

fluidcruft wrote: post #24
ddtaylor wrote: post #17

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Motorola with GrapheneOS is an interesting prospect. The space is ready for disruption and the tools to do it are more available than ever. Maybe it will come from the EU. Who knows, but Google overplayed their hand, IMO. Also, let's be clear about the mobile landscape right now. Many apps aren't written in Java or Swift, but instead are being transpiled from other languages like TypeScript and using UI libraries tha…

Motorola with GrapheneOS has all the same failings of any other custom ROM.

Which failings in particular?

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by rpdillon »

Taterr wrote: post #218
rpdillon wrote: post #170

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It's not clear at all that a scammer is on the phone, instructing people to click through every warning that they see while sideloading a malicious app. As I stated up thread, the majority of these scams are happening through apps in the Play Store. To address your question, there should be a straightforward option during device setup. If you're first attaching your account to the device, you simply check a box that…

> It's not clear at all that a scammer is on the phone, instructing people to click through every warning that they see while sideloading a malicious app. Google claims this to be a very common or majority attack vector. "The Global Scam Report also found that scams were most often initiated by sending scam links via various messaging platforms to get users to install malicious apps and very often paired with a phone…

All they say is that the apps are malicious, though. The majority of malicious apps distributed on Android are through the Play Store. I really wish they would provide concrete details here because I just don't believe that this is all hinging on sideloading.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by fluidcruft »

ddtaylor wrote: post #235
fluidcruft wrote: post #24

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Motorola with GrapheneOS has all the same failings of any other custom ROM.

Which failings in particular?

Not being able to use tap-to-pay, various banking apps, some work apps, for example.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by lern_too_spel »

lucb1e wrote: post #215
lern_too_spel wrote: post #194

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There is an API for backing up all app data that requires authorization. This is different from giving the user root, so any malicious can back up all app data at any time.

Which API do you mean?

adb backup

If you control the build, you should implement your own Backup Service. You should not just open all apps' data to any app.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by rudhdb773b »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #239
lucb1e wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which API do you mean?

adb backup If you control the build, you should implement your own Backup Service. You should not just open all apps' data to any app.

"adb backup" is buggy and deprecated.

It's easier and more reliable to use adb root to rsync everything. No apps need root access that way.

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