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Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by addandsubtract »

lrvick wrote: post #220
suid wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be, but the government doesn't need to declare Anthropic as a "supply chain risk" in order to just not do business with it. A simple clause in all RFPs is all that is needed. The problem with this declaration by the government is that now any company doing any business with the US government would be effectively forbidden from using Anthropic ANYWHERE within their company, which is a huge deal, because the g…

Any company that feels the need to send data in plain text to third party LLM providers has absolutely no business having government contracts. OpenAI and Anthropic are both a complete joke when it comes to data security. It is hard to believe how few companies seemingly lack even one person with the basic technical skills required to rack up a server or two or find a service that supports verifiable end to end encry…

While I agree, the government just gave all of its and it's citizens data to the owner of xAI/Grok. I think the US is way past any security concerns of sharing plain text chat logs to OpenAI/Anthropic.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by croon »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #216
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one cares about people who don't bother to vote. If you can't manage even that you don't deserve an opinion. blah blah some exceptional circumstances, etc you all know what I mean.

> No one cares about people who don't bother to vote. If you can't manage even that you don't deserve an opinion. It's not so much that people 'don't bother to vote',, it's more that 'we' aren't prepared to vote for crooks that will campaign on one or two issues, but actually have several agendas running. Etc, etc. The opinion I may not 'deserve', is that I'm not playing your/ this game. No, I don't have a better sol…

> The opinion I may not 'deserve', is that I'm not playing your/ this game.

It's your game regardless if you vote or not. Not voting is in practice the same as voting for who wins. That is the only choice you have at election day. Beyond election day you can try to participate in a movement that pushes congress to implement ranked voting or help get other primary nominees etc, but anything other than voting for the least bad candidate in a two party system is naive.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by IAmBroom »

trymas wrote: post #217
yalogin wrote: post #197

Glad to see the judicial system works sometimes atleast. Less cynically now, the president has admired Xi many many times openly, and it’s clear he prefers an administrative style similar to China. That is what he is turning the country into. Everybody goes and bends the knee like the tech ceos did and he controls every aspect of the administration with an iron fist, just like China.

IMHO current USA government is somewhat inverse to China. US government now is a kakistocracy made out of sycophants to the biggest egomaniac this generation have ever seen. Who is only driven by personal wealth and attention. Any billionaire capitalist psychopath openly promising to give cash and attention to orange musollini gets a free reign to do anything (they could be even not from USA) - it’s oligarchy. China…

Xi is intelligent and capable of long-term planning.

The only similarity I see is that neither Xi nor our Narcissist-in-Chief brook any criticism; but aside from the "Let 1,000 Flowers Bloom" campaign of Mao, that has always been China's domestic policy.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by pjc50 »

cwillu wrote: post #102
mr_00ff00 wrote: post #93

Had this conversation with a friend, but I think as an America you can be very optimistic about the institutional strength of democracy in the country. People are very pessimistic recently, but if anything, we are seeing that our system works well. A person got into power that a majority voted for, but when he oversteps, the courts and other institutions (even judges and fed reserve chairs he picked!) seem to hold hi…

The question is not whether the walls can contain the bull until animal control arrives, but whether any china will remain intact.

It's more like the early bits of Jurassic Park: the T-Rex bashing away at the restraints while everyone assures you that they spared no expense to make it secure.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by Hizonner »

mr_00ff00 wrote: post #93

Had this conversation with a friend, but I think as an America you can be very optimistic about the institutional strength of democracy in the country. People are very pessimistic recently, but if anything, we are seeing that our system works well. A person got into power that a majority voted for, but when he oversteps, the courts and other institutions (even judges and fed reserve chairs he picked!) seem to hold hi…

For a problem the size of Trump, the intended function of the institutions would have been removing him from office by now. Not to mention ignoring basically all of his more publicized executive orders (I don't know about more obscure ones).

The judiciary sort of holding it together to issue orders that are mostly ignored is not the system working.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by Starman_Jones »

nickysielicki wrote: post #182
dragonwriter wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anthropic is suing for the right to deal in weapons and surveillance, you realize? No, they are suing for the reversal of specific government actions which they contend were taken without lawful authority and for Constitutionally impermissible purposes.

Okay, sure, that’s a lot of fancy words to say a lot of nothing. What remedy are they seeking? How can this be redressed? (Hint: they want to be a part of the DoD supply chain. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t have standing. If the court can’t do anything for you even if you win, you fail the redressability prong and get bounced for lack of standing.)

Scope of injunctive relief extends beyond DoD. In fact, it’s fair to say that’s only a small portion of the relief offered.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by Starman_Jones »

charcircuit wrote: post #196
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the court found is that Anthropic demanded no such thing. The government lied and claimed that they did as part of their attempt to punish Anthropic.

It was a preliminary injunction. The purpose of such an injunction is not to establish what actually happened. We will need to wait for this to progress further to learn more information about what actually happened.

DoD admitted in court that it did not happen.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by throwway120385 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #202
dragonwriter wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the supply chain risk designation means EVERYONE who works with the government isn’t allowed to use Claude. No, it doesn't. The even more illegal Presidential directive (also a subject of this case and the injunction) asserts that, but the supply chain risk designation itself does not have that effect.

Thank you for your comment. I didn't understand, because I thought (and apparently lots of other people do, too) the supply chain risk designation does mean that, because that is exactly what Hegseth said. Surprise, surprise, Hegseth was lying through his teeth. I'm so sick of this lawless, fascist government and their spineless supporters. This article I found after reading your comment explains the true effect of t…

He wasn't lying. He just doesn't know anything. If you actually look at what this presidency says, it's pretty apparent that they're all pretty ignorant of just about everything. Which makes the fact that they have all of this power even more scary. At a moment's notice they could make an ignorant proclamation that harms the entire country, like unilaterally declaring 50% tariffs or declaring war on a nation that effectively controls most of the world's oil shipping.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by criley2 »

IAmBroom wrote: post #233
trymas wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO current USA government is somewhat inverse to China. US government now is a kakistocracy made out of sycophants to the biggest egomaniac this generation have ever seen. Who is only driven by personal wealth and attention. Any billionaire capitalist psychopath openly promising to give cash and attention to orange musollini gets a free reign to do anything (they could be even not from USA) - it’s oligarchy. China…

Xi is intelligent and capable of long-term planning. The only similarity I see is that neither Xi nor our Narcissist-in-Chief brook any criticism; but aside from the "Let 1,000 Flowers Bloom" campaign of Mao, that has always been China's domestic policy.

It's not that a leader is capable of long-term planning, it's that a system is. I am a big proponent for democracy, but the fact is simple that when you do a massive regime change every ~4 years, nothing big will get done. You have about 2 good years to do something, and most big projects simply require more time than that.

China, unlike the US, can look 10 years into the future and consistently execute towards a goal. That's not because of leaders, it's because the systems are fundamentally designed this way.

It's like the two party system in the US. It's because of first past the post in the Constitution. The system is designed to do this, so it does it. The US is designed to be unable to plan or execute long term vision.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by throwway120385 »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #216
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one cares about people who don't bother to vote. If you can't manage even that you don't deserve an opinion. blah blah some exceptional circumstances, etc you all know what I mean.

> No one cares about people who don't bother to vote. If you can't manage even that you don't deserve an opinion. It's not so much that people 'don't bother to vote',, it's more that 'we' aren't prepared to vote for crooks that will campaign on one or two issues, but actually have several agendas running. Etc, etc. The opinion I may not 'deserve', is that I'm not playing your/ this game. No, I don't have a better sol…

You're not voting for someone you agree with. You're voting for someone who you think will give in if pressured by protest and the courts. It matters less what individual issues they think they're going to "solve" while they're in office and more whether they have any shame or willingness to change in the face of protest or court order.
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