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Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #222
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #191

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Not observed and yet depicted in symbolism by different cultures dating back to Babylon. Quite the mystery indeed... I'm sure you have an explanation for how the Dogon tribe knew more about the Sirius star system than we did until relatively recently as well. It's quite egotistical and foolish to assume we're more advanced and know more than our ancient ancestors, or that what is written in our history books is objec…

> I'm sure you have an explanation for how the Dogon tribe knew more about the Sirius star system than we did until relatively recently as well. I have a hypothesis, which incorporates the fact that the Dogon were not reported to have such knowledge until the 1930s, well after the discovery of Sirius B. > depicted in symbolism by different cultures dating back to Babylon A bit of searching is coming up short, beyond…

> I have a hypothesis, which incorporates the fact that the Dogon were not reported to have such knowledge until the 1930s, well after the discovery of Sirius B.

That's not a fact, because there are several sources / individuals that dispute this claim.

> A bit of searching is coming up short, beyond a claim about shackles on the ankles of a Roman statue of Saturn (the god) symbolizing the rings; I find this less convincing than the idea that they symbolize shackles (the ones with which he was bound in Tartaros).

Well you're pretty terrible at searching the internet then, considering I can type Sumerian saturn symbolism into any image search engine and find a plethora of examples.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by yzydserd »

yostrovs wrote: post #225
port11 wrote: post #220

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Given the current sentiment towards Israel in most of Europe, manipulating elections might not be the cleverest way to win our sympathy again.

Europeans give too much value to their sympathies. Given that it's now clear to anyone that will open their eyes that there is no international law, Europe ends up looking like an old grandpa yelling at the clouds, powerless to actually do something. Sympathies are not enough.

To many fellow Europeans, the “old grandpa shouting at the clouds” is perceived to be some other entity.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by bonzini »

refulgentis wrote: post #228
yostrovs wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europeans give too much value to their sympathies. Given that it's now clear to anyone that will open their eyes that there is no international law, Europe ends up looking like an old grandpa yelling at the clouds, powerless to actually do something. Sympathies are not enough.

Sympathies translate into trade policy, arms embargoes, diplomatic recognition, and votes at international bodies. The idea that soft power is meaningless because it isn't a missile is a contradiction in terms. Europe is Israel's largest trade partner. That's not nothing. Also, "there is no international law" is a strange argument to make in defense of a country that spends enormous resources lobbying international i…

> If none of it mattered, why bother?

Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Republicans and missiles being the best.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by TheGuyWhoCodes »

sillyfluke wrote: post #212
cooloo wrote: post #198

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A third of Jews in NYC voted for an anti-Zionist Muslim mayor, which equates to roughly half the population of Tel Aviv according to demographic statistics. I advise you discuss "Jew hate" with them before you start attacking everyone else for racism.

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Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by sillyfluke »

TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #235
sillyfluke wrote: post #212

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A third of Jews in NYC voted for an anti-Zionist Muslim mayor, which equates to roughly half the population of Tel Aviv according to demographic statistics. I advise you discuss "Jew hate" with them before you start attacking everyone else for racism.

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Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by trinix912 »

refulgentis wrote: post #229
nmeofthestate wrote: post #131

So it sounds like these guys posed as investors, schmoozed politicians, and got them on tape agreeing to do corrupt stuff. The recordings were then released to influence voters. The thing about this is, the response to it will depend on who the politicians were. For example, if it was the "far right" politicians caught on tape, there wouldn't be the same furore about election interference. The recordings may of cours…

This skips over what the article actually describes. Švarc Pipan's account isn't of politicians getting caught, it's of an entrapment operation. The fake investors "seemed to know nothing about data centers," kept pushing her toward suggesting a bribe, and paid a €500 tab in cash. She says she refused to lobby and told them she was legally barred from doing so at the time.

There is no direct proof that Janša is linked to them, however plausible it seems.

(the parent comment has been edited to remove this claim shortly after I made my comment responding to it)

SOVA has only been able to confirm that an unlabeled Israeli charter landed at Brnik and that a taxi ride with two businessmen was made from the airport to the street in Ljubljana where SDS is headquartered.

This could have also been any two legit businessmen, who might have come with any other flight, for any other purpose. It’s not confirmed whether they entered the SDS building either.

It’s also anachronistic - the videos appear to have been filmed a while ago (given the statements made and the held positions of the people in them), while that flight has only happened a few weeks ago.

Švarc Pipan also didn’t refuse to lobby, she just brushed it off by saying “it’s not lobbying” after bring told it indeed was, right after bragging about lobbying.

She then goes on to explain that she kept arranging things from behind, after resigning from her position because of the Litijska corruption scandal about a year into her turn.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by cramsession »

woodruffw wrote: post #230
cramsession wrote: post #181

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> Things just went sideways when it came to Israelis and Palestinians co-existing peacefully. At least some of the idealists of the early zionist movement honestly believed the influx of Jewish people would be a benefit to Arabs already living in Palestine. Teodore Hertzl (Zionism’s founder) was explicit about the need to ethically cleanse the Palestinians from their land.

Herzl, nor Hertzl. Do you have a citation or resource for this? (I ask not because it's inconceivable, but because Herzl died almost half a century before Israel declared its independence. Ze'ev Jabotinsky is more consistently identified with revisionist Zionism/territorial maximalism.)

> "We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back."

https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quot...

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