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The author almost touches on the one more topic that I adore about Nix, but ends up just so missing it: NixOS is absolutely incredible for its ability to be configured through AI tooling. And I don't mean that it's better than other operating systems, I mean that it's the only game in town. I've been using Nix, both the package manager and the operating system, for years by now. I agree with all of the author's point…
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Lisp programmers have used editors that count the parens for them for decades. Many use something like paredit that simply automatically adds the final paren. I've written significant amounts of Lisp and you simply don't see the parens. You might as well complain about French having all those accents. It's just a different language. Learn it and you'll see why.
I can write lisp. That a lot of lisp programmers require special editors to handle it should tell you enough. It's not that the language is unworkable. You can definitely write stuff in it. The point is that it is quite far from something that should be written by people, in my opinion.
I tried NixOS a few months ago, when I had to choose a new OS for my laptop. On the one hand, it's great, as so many others here and TFA have attested. Declaratively specifying your system configuration and using snapshots to keep track of everything is a complete game-changer. Similarly great is the absolutely huge universe of installable packages. The coverage here is so much better than what's on offer from Ubuntu…
I can completely understand how you were driven away. If you ever want to give it a go again: > there's "Flakes" which I never quite understood Nix never clicked for me until I started using flakes. There's a lot of internal drama surrounding them that honestly childish; that's why they are marked as experimental and not the official recommendation. You are going to have a worse time with Nix if you go with the offic…
i've been tempted by NixOS for servers but keep going back to Debian. the reproducibility is amazing in theory, but when you need to debug a DKMS kernel module build at 2am on a VPS, having "just apt install" is worth a lot. maybe NixOS for dev workstations, Debian for production VPS is the right split.
I see an article like this about how great it is, think I might try it, then go down a rabbit hole of all the horror stories, and then give up before starting.
After having done the switch to nixOS, I can confidently say that managing a system any other way (like with apt/brew + 20 handwritten bash scripts) really is neanderthal technology and nix is superior in every single way. It's also great for the AI era, copilot is really good with that stuff.
> nix is superior in every single way. My experience using NixOS on desktop is that it's 95% wonderful, 5% very painful. If you run into friction with NixOS, you may need to have a wider/deeper understanding of what you're trying to do, compared to the more typical Linux OSs which can be beaten into shape. With NixOS, you pay all the complexity up front.
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I can write lisp. That a lot of lisp programmers require special editors to handle it should tell you enough. It's not that the language is unworkable. You can definitely write stuff in it. The point is that it is quite far from something that should be written by people, in my opinion.
Are you really going to argue that a good programming language is one where you can construct it character by character, by hand? Emacs has existed for decades and it runs basically anywhere. Nobody is programming in ed (well, apart from Dave Beazley[0]). With LLMs the world is finally catching up to the fact that programming isn't typing characters one by one. Lisp programmers have been at this for decades. [0] http…
This is not some weird opinion I have. There is a reason "flat is better than nested" is part of the pretty popular zen of Python.
Declarative, but not trying to solve for the "I want 5 versions of python at the same time" problem. The weird NixOS filesystem is where 90% of my Nix issues come from. And I don't feel like I benefit from it much, if at all. Bonus points if this fictional solution doesn't use a fancy new programming language. Something like HOCON would be perfect.
I just want the same OS, packages and config on all my machines without allowing long-term drift. And I want the time I spend tweaking my Linux setup to be an investment, not a waste of time that gets thrown away when I upgrade. I know I could use home-manager or similar for my user-level config, but that's not enough.
I've been experimenting with the immutable fedora-bootc images and podman+Containerfiles, which works pretty well for this. But there's no "nixos-rebuild switch" command, so changes require a reboot. Fine for daily use, but very painful when experimenting. I did discover its possible to use the older dnf4 --transient flag to temporarily install packages, which is helpful.
I guess its a trade-off between easy tinkering (Nix) but frustrating filesystem vs fussy tinkering (bootc) but standard linux filesystem once booted.
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To me, loving inanimate "trivial" things diminishes the value of love. I love my girlfriend and my pets. I like my kitchen knife and my car. To bunch up both into the same category confuses things into "which one do I love the most", some sort of spectrum of love. In the case of a fire, I'm sure you wouldn't prioritize your laptop with NixOS over your cat (let's imagine that the only backup is in the house that's on…
No, you don't have to rank things, there's your mistake. Stop ranking things.